Yes, that works for me! Thanks!

> On 21. Oct 2025, at 09:53, Scheffenegger, Richard 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sounds perfect! Thanks!
> 
> Mirja, do you concur?
> 
> 
> Richard Scheffenegger
> Senior Solution Architect
> NAS & Networking
> 
> NetApp
> +43 1 3676 811 3157 Direct Phone
> +43 664 8866 1857 Mobile Phone
> [email protected]
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandy Ginoza <[email protected]> 
> Sent: Montag, 20. Oktober 2025 19:04
> To: Scheffenegger, Richard <[email protected]>
> Cc: Mirja Kuehlewind <[email protected]>; RFC Editor 
> <[email protected]>; Bob Briscoe <[email protected]>; 
> [email protected]; [email protected]; Michael Tuexen 
> <[email protected]>; Zaheduzzaman Sarker <[email protected]>; 
> auth48archive <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9768 <draft-ietf-tcpm-accurate-ecn-34> for 
> your review
> 
> EXTERNAL EMAIL - USE CAUTION when clicking links or attachments
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
> The following reflects the updated text, and the diffs (only) can be viewed 
> in the following files:
>   
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-lastdiff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!Rw9A_qPwQjMxUuKn1S6xhRZetjJTro-M0zixYJYnrgvZjoFSmtk0_rPcH4vdciZlrt3yi5GhAOgilJO7HsNPPS0gv1GVFbzDLww$
>   
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-lastrfcdiff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!Rw9A_qPwQjMxUuKn1S6xhRZetjJTro-M0zixYJYnrgvZjoFSmtk0_rPcH4vdciZlrt3yi5GhAOgilJO7HsNPPS0gv1GVAfG0B5I$
>   (side by side)
> 
> Current Section 1:
>   It
>   is called the more "Accurate ECN feedback" scheme, or AccECN for
>   short.
> 
> Current Section 1.3:
>   Accurate ECN feedback:  The more Accurate ECN feedback scheme is
>      called AccECN for short.
> 
> Because the text indicates "Accurate ECN feedback” is referred to as AccECN, 
> we do not believe other updates are needed throughout the text.
> 
> The current files are available here:
>   
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768.xml__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!Rw9A_qPwQjMxUuKn1S6xhRZetjJTro-M0zixYJYnrgvZjoFSmtk0_rPcH4vdciZlrt3yi5GhAOgilJO7HsNPPS0gv1GV8xZuVnI$
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> 
> Diffs of the most recent updates only:
>   
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-lastdiff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!Rw9A_qPwQjMxUuKn1S6xhRZetjJTro-M0zixYJYnrgvZjoFSmtk0_rPcH4vdciZlrt3yi5GhAOgilJO7HsNPPS0gv1GVFbzDLww$
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> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-lastrfcdiff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!Rw9A_qPwQjMxUuKn1S6xhRZetjJTro-M0zixYJYnrgvZjoFSmtk0_rPcH4vdciZlrt3yi5GhAOgilJO7HsNPPS0gv1GVAfG0B5I$
>   (side by side)
> 
> AUTH48 diffs:
>   
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-auth48diff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!Rw9A_qPwQjMxUuKn1S6xhRZetjJTro-M0zixYJYnrgvZjoFSmtk0_rPcH4vdciZlrt3yi5GhAOgilJO7HsNPPS0gv1GV71nPedA$
>   
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>   (side by side)
> 
> Comprehensive diffs:
>   
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-diff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!Rw9A_qPwQjMxUuKn1S6xhRZetjJTro-M0zixYJYnrgvZjoFSmtk0_rPcH4vdciZlrt3yi5GhAOgilJO7HsNPPS0gv1GVzZc6dx4$
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> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-rfcdiff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!Rw9A_qPwQjMxUuKn1S6xhRZetjJTro-M0zixYJYnrgvZjoFSmtk0_rPcH4vdciZlrt3yi5GhAOgilJO7HsNPPS0gv1GVG7QTG4c$
>   (side by side)
> 
> Please let us know if this is acceptable and/or if other changes are needed.
> 
> Thank you,
> Sandy Ginoza
> RFC Production Center
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2025, at 3:47 AM, Scheffenegger, Richard 
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sandy,
>> 
>> 
>> Can you please go ahead with the proposed changes to include the "feedback" 
>> suffix when referring to the schemes of AccECN feedback and also Classic ECN 
>> feedback?
>> 
>> Looking at the latest AUTH48 diff, I didn’t really spot on which places in 
>> total that moficiation (addition of "feedback" when talking about AccECN and 
>> Classic ECN) would go, really.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> Richard Scheffenegger
>> Senior Solution Architect
>> NAS & Networking
>> 
>> NetApp
>> +43 1 3676 811 3157 Direct Phone
>> +43 664 8866 1857 Mobile Phone
>> [email protected]
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sandy Ginoza <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Freitag, 17. Oktober 2025 18:01
>> To: Mirja Kuehlewind <[email protected]>
>> Cc: Scheffenegger, Richard <[email protected]>; RFC Editor 
>> <[email protected]>; Bob Briscoe <[email protected]>; 
>> [email protected]; [email protected]; Michael Tuexen 
>> <[email protected]>; Zaheduzzaman Sarker <[email protected]>; 
>> auth48archive <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9768 <draft-ietf-tcpm-accurate-ecn-34> for 
>> your review
>> 
>> EXTERNAL EMAIL - USE CAUTION when clicking links or attachments
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Mirja,
>> 
>> We updated the text per your preference for item 5.  We will wait to hear 
>> further regarding item 1, as we believe this is under discussion with the 
>> authors.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Sandy Ginoza
>> RFC Production Center
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2025, at 7:28 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi again,
>>> 
>>> Sorry, I’m still catching up on emails from my holidays end of September 
>>> and saw just now that the discussion already moved on.
>>> 
>>> Please see below.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 16. Sep 2025, at 00:06, Sandy Ginoza <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ricard,
>>>> 
>>>> Please see notes below.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 15, 2025, at 2:07 AM, Scheffenegger, Richard 
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Re 1:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I opt to have the "feedback" part a suffix, because adding feedback in "" 
>>>>> marks then would necessitate this to be deployed throughout the documnent 
>>>>> and i think it would start reading awkward.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As the document really only ever touches the TCP based feedback, but not 
>>>>> the overarching concept of ECN as a whole, I think mentioning it once in 
>>>>> the definitions (outside the quotation marks) should suffice and makes 
>>>>> the rest of the document more readable...
>>>> 
>>>> We have not made any changes here.  While we typically use quotes to 
>>>> specify the terms being introduced (e.g., this action is called “abc”), 
>>>> another option would be to drop the quotes.
>>> 
>>> I’m a bit lost now. Where do people want to use or not use quotes? I agree 
>>> that usually the word “feedback” shouldn’t be included in the quotes but if 
>>> so we need to make it consent for both “AccECN feedback” and “Classic ECN 
>>> feedback”. The problem is that “Classic ECN” consists of more than just the 
>>> feedback part, therefore it is correct to define both “Classic ECN” and 
>>> “Classic ECN feedback”. I think to be consistent we could then also use the 
>>> term “AccECN feedback”.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Re 5
>>>>> 
>>>>> For me as non-native speaker, this now reads a bit awkward. Maybe:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Setting the three flags (AE, CWR, ECE) to 1 to indicate AccECN support on 
>>>>> the SYN has been carefully chosen to enable natural fall-back to prior 
>>>>> stages in the evolution of ECN.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (s/have/has/ -> was plural/ is singular now).
>>>> 
>>>> Good catch - the text now reads as follows:
>>>> 
>>>> The three flags set to 1 indicate AccECN support on the SYN has been
>>>> carefully chosen to enable natural fall-back to prior stages in the
>>>> evolution of ECN.
>>> 
>>> See my previous mails. I think the sentence is more clear with the “to”.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Please note that we await input regarding the author comments in the XML 
>>>> file.
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 38) <!-- [rfced] Some author comments are present in the XML. 
>>>>>>>>>>> Please confirm
>>>>>>>>>>> that no updates related to these comments are outstanding. Note 
>>>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>>>> comments will be deleted prior to publication.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Richard and Bob would need to double-check this.
>>> 
>>> Richard confirmed to me by chat that we don’t need the comments anymore 
>>> from his point of view. And as I said I just pinged Bob hoping we will hear 
>>> from him soon.
>>> 
>>> Mirja
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The current files are available here:
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768.xml__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XTLEmol_ZrwwJADunXGCGTYvamILBrxGiqhlCElga_nfyQw-9jW-Pwi4zzS4bJHbCbIMLUw36KVd_8fN8t0-GWnQRe6NooNo_Mo$
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768.txt__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XTLEmol_ZrwwJADunXGCGTYvamILBrxGiqhlCElga_nfyQw-9jW-Pwi4zzS4bJHbCbIMLUw36KVd_8fN8t0-GWnQRe6NnSOHbdM$
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768.pdf__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XTLEmol_ZrwwJADunXGCGTYvamILBrxGiqhlCElga_nfyQw-9jW-Pwi4zzS4bJHbCbIMLUw36KVd_8fN8t0-GWnQRe6Nsw4rcHE$
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XTLEmol_ZrwwJADunXGCGTYvamILBrxGiqhlCElga_nfyQw-9jW-Pwi4zzS4bJHbCbIMLUw36KVd_8fN8t0-GWnQRe6N4xvmu_U$
>>>> 
>>>> Diffs highlighting the last two rounds of updates:
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-lastdiff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XTLEmol_ZrwwJADunXGCGTYvamILBrxGiqhlCElga_nfyQw-9jW-Pwi4zzS4bJHbCbIMLUw36KVd_8fN8t0-GWnQRe6NkHTxV5c$
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-lastrfcdiff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XTLEmol_ZrwwJADunXGCGTYvamILBrxGiqhlCElga_nfyQw-9jW-Pwi4zzS4bJHbCbIMLUw36KVd_8fN8t0-GWnQRe6NMlwcBmQ$
>>>>   (side by side)
>>>> 
>>>> AUTH48 diffs:
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-auth48diff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XTLEmol_ZrwwJADunXGCGTYvamILBrxGiqhlCElga_nfyQw-9jW-Pwi4zzS4bJHbCbIMLUw36KVd_8fN8t0-GWnQRe6NFFwjlTg$
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-auth48rfcdiff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XTLEmol_ZrwwJADunXGCGTYvamILBrxGiqhlCElga_nfyQw-9jW-Pwi4zzS4bJHbCbIMLUw36KVd_8fN8t0-GWnQRe6N9BDUn1U$
>>>>   (side by side)
>>>> 
>>>> Comprehensive diffs:
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-diff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XTLEmol_ZrwwJADunXGCGTYvamILBrxGiqhlCElga_nfyQw-9jW-Pwi4zzS4bJHbCbIMLUw36KVd_8fN8t0-GWnQRe6NoOH8FJk$
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-rfcdiff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XTLEmol_ZrwwJADunXGCGTYvamILBrxGiqhlCElga_nfyQw-9jW-Pwi4zzS4bJHbCbIMLUw36KVd_8fN8t0-GWnQRe6NlIk1ZVc$
>>>>   (side by side)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Sandy Ginoza
>>>> RFC Production Center
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Richard Scheffenegger
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Sandy Ginoza <[email protected]>
>>>>> Sent: Samstag, 13. September 2025 00:02
>>>>> To: Mirja Kuehlewind <[email protected]>
>>>>> Cc: RFC Editor <[email protected]>; Bob Briscoe 
>>>>> <[email protected]>; Scheffenegger, Richard 
>>>>> <[email protected]>; [email protected]; 
>>>>> [email protected]; Michael Tuexen <[email protected]>; 
>>>>> Zaheduzzaman Sarker <[email protected]>; auth48archive 
>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9768 <draft-ietf-tcpm-accurate-ecn-34> for 
>>>>> your review
>>>>> 
>>>>> EXTERNAL EMAIL - USE CAUTION when clicking links or attachments
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Mirja, Bob, Richard,
>>>>> 
>>>>> We made some updates to the document, but we await guidance regarding 
>>>>> items 1 and 5 below.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) Please review the the info below and let us know how you would like to 
>>>>> proceed.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1) There is an inconsistency now about these two sentences/terms:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> “It is called the more "Accurate ECN" feedback scheme, or AccECN for 
>>>>>>> short.”
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "This document uses the term "Classic ECN feedback" when …”
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think you either have to have the word “feedback” as part of both 
>>>>>>> terms or none.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So either:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> “It is called the more "Accurate ECN feedback" scheme, or AccECN 
>>>>>>> feedback for short.”
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "This document uses the term "Classic ECN feedback" when …”
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> “It is called the more "Accurate ECN” scheme, or AccECN for short.”
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "This document uses the term "Classic ECN" when …”
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for your thorough review.  Regarding item 1, the doc defines the 
>>>>>> following in section 1.3:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> AccECN:  The more Accurate ECN feedback scheme will be called AccECN
>>>>>> for short.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Classic ECN:  The ECN protocol specified in [RFC3168].
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Classic ECN feedback:  The feedback aspect of the ECN protocol
>>>>>> specified in [RFC3168], including generation, encoding,
>>>>>> transmission and decoding of feedback, but not the Data Sender's
>>>>>> subsequent response to that feedback.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So perhaps we should be using “Classic ECN feedback” and “AccECN 
>>>>>> feedback”, and the AccECN definition above should be updated to refer to 
>>>>>> "AccECN feedback”?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That is:
>>>>>> AccECN feedback:  The more Accurate ECN feedback scheme will be called 
>>>>>> AccECN feedback
>>>>>> for short.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4) Note that we also made some updates to the lists (regarding semicolons 
>>>>> vs periods).  We re-reviewed the lists and think we better understand the 
>>>>> original use of semicolons.  We have restored them in some places.  
>>>>> Please review and let us know if any further updates are needed.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 4) Looking at this now I think I would prefer to use ; in list and only 
>>>>>> . for the last list item.
>>>>>> I feel this was how it was done in most cases already. However, I’m fine 
>>>>>> to go with whatever is most commonly done in RFCs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 5) We have updated the text to read “set to 1 indicate” (deleted “to” 
>>>>> after "1"). Please let us know if any corrections are needed.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 5) I think adding the “are” in the first sentence in Section 3.1.2 is 
>>>>>> wrong:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The three flags are
>>>>>> set to 1 to indicate AccECN support on the SYN have been carefully
>>>>>> chosen…
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The current files are available here:
>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768.xml__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvsBS67iLA$
>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768.txt__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvsNYmlEU4$
>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768.pdf__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvsU4CYw3o$
>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvs4nlU7Ks$
>>>>> 
>>>>> Diffs highlighting the most recent updates:
>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-lastdiff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvsBtrQqVY$
>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-lastrfcdiff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvse3nvsQQ$
>>>>>   (side by side)
>>>>> 
>>>>> AUTH48 diffs:
>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-auth48diff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvsXtdzoao$
>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-auth48rfcdiff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvsmjLE6U8$
>>>>>   (side by side)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Comprehensive diffs:
>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-diff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvs6ny6L20$
>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-rfcdiff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvsEhb8T7I$
>>>>>   (side by side)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Sandy Ginoza
>>>>> RFC Production Center
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Sandy Ginoza
>>>>>> RFC Production Center
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2025, at 8:38 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) 
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Sandy,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I now reviewed the whole document and I have a few minor things.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1) There is an inconsistency now about these two sentences/terms:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> “It is called the more "Accurate ECN" feedback scheme, or AccECN for 
>>>>>>> short.”
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "This document uses the term "Classic ECN feedback" when …”
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think you either have to have the word “feedback” as part of both 
>>>>>>> terms or none.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So either:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> “It is called the more "Accurate ECN feedback" scheme, or AccECN 
>>>>>>> feedback for short.”
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "This document uses the term "Classic ECN feedback" when …”
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> “It is called the more "Accurate ECN” scheme, or AccECN for short.”
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "This document uses the term "Classic ECN" when …”
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2) I think you should use upper case letter here:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> OLD
>>>>>>> large receive offload (LRO) or generic receive offload (GRO)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> NEW
>>>>>>> Large Receive Offload (LRO) or Generic Receive Offload (GRO)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 3) Congestion Window Reduced (CWR) is introduced a second time in 
>>>>>>> Section 2.3. This can be removed.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 4) Looking at this now I think I would prefer to use ; in list and only 
>>>>>>> . for the last list item.
>>>>>>> I feel this was how it was done in most cases already. However, I’m 
>>>>>>> fine to go with whatever is most commonly done in RFCs.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 5) I think adding the “are” in the first sentence in Section 3.1.2 is 
>>>>>>> wrong:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The three flags are
>>>>>>> set to 1 to indicate AccECN support on the SYN have been carefully
>>>>>>> chosen…
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 6) There is also a wrong word is in this sentence in section 3.2.2.1:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If the final ACK of the handshake does not arrive before its 
>>>>>>> retransmission timer expires, the TCP Server is follow the procedure 
>>>>>>> given in Section 3.1.4.2.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> However, this is not meant to be a normative statement at this part of 
>>>>>>> this document, so I would actually prefer a phrasing list this:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If the final ACK of the handshake does not arrive before its 
>>>>>>> retransmission timer expires, the procedure that the TCP Server will 
>>>>>>> follow is given in Section 3.1.4.2.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mirja
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 23. Aug 2025, at 00:05, Sandy Ginoza <[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Mirja and Bob,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This is a friendly reminder that we await your response to the items 
>>>>>>>> noted below and whether any additional updates are needed.  We will 
>>>>>>>> wait to hear from you before continuing with publication.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>> Sandy Ginoza
>>>>>>>> RFC Production Center
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2025, at 11:11 AM, Sandy Ginoza 
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Mirja,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your close review and the explanations provided.  We have 
>>>>>>>>> updated the document as described below.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We will wait to hear from Richard and/or Bob regarding this the 
>>>>>>>>> author comments in the XML file. In addition, this question should 
>>>>>>>>> have been included previously. Please let us know if any updates are 
>>>>>>>>> desired.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <!-- [rfced] Will "rights and obligations" be commonly understood
>>>>>>>>> in this context?  We only see it used in RFC 3647, and it appears as 
>>>>>>>>> part of quoted text there.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Section 3.1.1 original:
>>>>>>>>> Once in AccECN mode, a TCP Client or Server has the rights and
>>>>>>>>> obligations to participate in the ECN protocol defined in Section
>>>>>>>>> 3.1.5.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Section 3.1.5 original:
>>>>>>>>> An implementation that supports AccECN has the rights and
>>>>>>>>> obligations concerning the use of ECN defined below, which update
>>>>>>>>> those in Section 6.1.1 of [RFC3168].
>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The current files are available here:
>>>>>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9
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>>>>>>>>> 1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvsNYmlEU4$
>>>>>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9
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>>>>>>>>> N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvs4nlU7Ks$
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> AUTH48 diffs:
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Comprehensive diffs:
>>>>>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9
>>>>>>>>> 768-diff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_Xg
>>>>>>>>> qHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvs6ny6L20$
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>>>>>>>>> 768-rfcdiff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ
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>>>>>>>>> (side by side)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Please review and let us know if further updates are needed.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>> Sandy Ginoza
>>>>>>>>> RFC Production Center
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 14, 2025, at 8:05 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) 
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Please see inline.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12. Aug 2025, at 21:38, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Authors,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> While reviewing this document during AUTH48, please resolve (as
>>>>>>>>>>> necessary) the following questions, which are also in the XML file.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 1) <!-- [rfced] Because these documents are defined in
>>>>>>>>>>> Informational RFCs, is "proposed" needed here?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> Recently, proposed mechanisms like Congestion Exposure (ConEx
>>>>>>>>>>> [RFC7713]), DCTCP [RFC8257] or L4S [RFC9330] need to know when
>>>>>>>>>>> more than one marking is received in one RTT, which is
>>>>>>>>>>> information that cannot be provided by the feedback scheme as 
>>>>>>>>>>> specified in [RFC3168].
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>> Newer mechanisms like Congestion Exposure (ConEx [RFC7713]),
>>>>>>>>>>> DCTCP [RFC8257], or L4S [RFC9330] ...
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Or perhaps, "More recently defined mechanisms ..."
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I’d prefer "More recently defined”. I think that’s what was meant 
>>>>>>>>>> here anyway; the comma seems wrong.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 2) <!-- [rfced] We are having trouble parsing "extent of
>>>>>>>>>>> congestion notification".  Perhaps this means "indicate the
>>>>>>>>>>> amount of congestion over the round trip"?  Please clarify.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> Or, unlike Reno or
>>>>>>>>>>> CUBIC, AccECN can be used to respond to the extent of congestion
>>>>>>>>>>> notification over a round trip, as for example DCTCP does in
>>>>>>>>>>> controlled environments [RFC8257].
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> NEW
>>>>>>>>>> Or, unlike as done by Reno or
>>>>>>>>>> CUBIC, AccECN can be used to respond to the actual number of
>>>>>>>>>> congestion Notifications received over a round trip, as for
>>>>>>>>>> example DCTCP does in controlled environments [RFC8257].
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 3) <!-- [rfced] Because "Reserved combination" is not used much,
>>>>>>>>>>> would it help the reader to add a pointer - perhaps to table 2?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> All these requirements ensure that future uses of all the
>>>>>>>>>>> Reserved combinations on a SYN or SYN/ACK can rely on consistent
>>>>>>>>>>> behaviour from the installed base of AccECN implementations.  See
>>>>>>>>>>> Appendix B.3 for related discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, adding a point to the table is good.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 4) <!-- [rfced] Should a second closing parens appear after 
>>>>>>>>>>> "congestion)"?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> Implementers MAY use other fall-back strategies if they are found
>>>>>>>>>>> to be more effective (e.g., attempting to negotiate AccECN on the
>>>>>>>>>>> SYN only once or more than twice (most appropriate during high
>>>>>>>>>>> levels of congestion).
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, please add another closing parens.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 5) <!-- [rfced] We are unsure what "try it without" refers to
>>>>>>>>>>> here. Is it "advisable to experiment without using the ECT on a 
>>>>>>>>>>> SYN"?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original (sentence prior included for context):
>>>>>>>>>>> Further it might make sense to also remove any other new or
>>>>>>>>>>> experimental fields or options on the SYN in case a middlebox
>>>>>>>>>>> might be blocking them, although the required behaviour will
>>>>>>>>>>> depend on the specification of the other option(s) and any
>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to co-ordinate fall-back between different modules of the
>>>>>>>>>>> stack.  For instance, even if taking part in an [RFC8311]
>>>>>>>>>>> experiment that allows ECT on a SYN, it would be advisable to try 
>>>>>>>>>>> it without.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> NEW
>>>>>>>>>> For instance,
>>>>>>>>>> if taking part in an [RFC8311] experiment that allows ECT on a
>>>>>>>>>> SYN, it would be advisable to have a fall-back strategy that tries
>>>>>>>>>> use of AccECN without setting ETC on SYN.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 6) <!-- [rfced] Throughout, some of the bulleted lists use a mix
>>>>>>>>>>> of periods and semicolons to close the item - some within the
>>>>>>>>>>> same list.  Please consider whether these may be updated for
>>>>>>>>>>> consistency.  We recommend using terminating periods, unless the 
>>>>>>>>>>> goal is to clarify an "and" or "or" connection between the list 
>>>>>>>>>>> items.
>>>>>>>>>>> Please review.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, this should be unified. I’d be okay with terminating periods.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 7) <!-- [rfced] For clarity, we'd like to add quotes to "handshake 
>>>>>>>>>>> encoding".
>>>>>>>>>>> Please confirm this is correct, as opposed to "handshake encoding
>>>>>>>>>>> of the ACE field".
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> This shall be called the handshake encoding of the ACE field, and
>>>>>>>>>>> it is the only exception to the rule that the ACE field carries
>>>>>>>>>>> the 3 least significant bits of the r.cep counter on packets with
>>>>>>>>>>> SYN=0.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, this should be only "handshake encoding”. However, I’m not sure 
>>>>>>>>>> if the quotes are really needed.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 8) <!-- [rfced] For readability, may we break this text into two 
>>>>>>>>>>> sentences?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> When an AccECN Server in SYN-RCVD state receives a pure ACK with
>>>>>>>>>>> SYN=0 and no SACK blocks, instead of treating the ACE field as a
>>>>>>>>>>> counter, it MUST infer the meaning of each possible value of the
>>>>>>>>>>> ACE field from Table 4, which also shows the value that an AccECN
>>>>>>>>>>> Server MUST set s.cep to as a result.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>> When an AccECN Server in SYN-RCVD state receives a pure ACK with
>>>>>>>>>>> SYN=0 and no SACK blocks, it MUST infer the meaning of each
>>>>>>>>>>> possible value of the ACE field from Table 4 instead of treating
>>>>>>>>>>> the ACE field as a counter.  Table 4 also shows the value to
>>>>>>>>>>> which an AccECN Server MUST set s.cep as a result.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Given these are two normative statement let’s rather do it this way:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> NEW
>>>>>>>>>> When an AccECN Server in SYN-RCVD state receives a pure ACK with
>>>>>>>>>> SYN=0 and no SACK blocks, it MUST infer the meaning of each
>>>>>>>>>> possible value of the ACE field from Table 4 instead of treating
>>>>>>>>>> the ACE field as a counter. As a result, an AccECN Server MUST set
>>>>>>>>>> s.cep to the respective value also shown in Table 4.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 9) <!-- [rfced] We are unclear what "it" refers to in the 
>>>>>>>>>>> following.  Perhaps "it"
>>>>>>>>>>> can be deleted?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> Given this encoding of the ACE field on the ACK of a SYN/ACK is
>>>>>>>>>>> exceptional, an AccECN Server using large receive offload (LRO)
>>>>>>>>>>> might prefer to disable LRO until such an ACK has transitioned it
>>>>>>>>>>> out of SYN-RCVD state.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> No it is not correct to remove the “it". “It” is the server. A 
>>>>>>>>>> longer version of the text would be:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Given this encoding of the ACE field on the ACK of a SYN/ACK is
>>>>>>>>>> exceptional, an AccECN Server using large receive offload (LRO)
>>>>>>>>>> might prefer to disable LRO until the ACK of the SYN/ACK was sent
>>>>>>>>>> and it has transitioned out of SYN-RCVD state.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 10) <!-- [rfced] We converted the notes following Table 4 into a 
>>>>>>>>>>> list for clarity.
>>>>>>>>>>> Please let us know if you have any concerns.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> That’s okay.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 11) <!-- [rfced] We are having trouble parsing "depend on
>>>>>>>>>>> experience of the most likely scenarios".  Does it depend on how
>>>>>>>>>>> good the experience is, the outcome, etc?  Please consider whether 
>>>>>>>>>>> this text can be clarified.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> This advice is not stated normatively (in capitals), because the
>>>>>>>>>>> best strategy might depend on experience of the most likely
>>>>>>>>>>> scenarios, which can only be known at the time of deployment.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I think we can do the following:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> NEW
>>>>>>>>>> This advice is not stated normatively (in capitals), because the
>>>>>>>>>> best strategy might depend on the likelihood to experience these
>>>>>>>>>> scenarios, which can only be known at the time of deployment.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 12) <!-- [rfced] Where is "below these bullets", as we don't see
>>>>>>>>>>> a bulletized list in Section 3.2.2.5.1?  If possible, we recommend 
>>>>>>>>>>> adding a pointer for clarity.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> Even though this rule is stated as a "SHOULD", it is important
>>>>>>>>>>> for  a transition to trigger an ACK if at all possible, The only
>>>>>>>>>>> valid  exception to this rule is given below these bullets.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe let’s do it that way:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> NEW
>>>>>>>>>> Even though this rule is stated as a "SHOULD", it is important for
>>>>>>>>>> a transition to trigger an ACK if at all possible, The only valid
>>>>>>>>>> exception to this rule is due to large receive offload (LRO) or
>>>>>>>>>> generic receive offload (GRO) as further described below.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 13) <!-- [rfced] For ease of the reader, we suggest adding a
>>>>>>>>>>> pointer to the examples.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> Recommended Simple Scheme:  The Data Receiver SHOULD include an
>>>>>>>>>>> AccECN TCP Option on every scheduled ACK if any byte counter has
>>>>>>>>>>> incremented since the last ACK.  Whenever possible, it SHOULD
>>>>>>>>>>> include a field for every byte counter that has changed at some
>>>>>>>>>>> time during the connection (see examples later).
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It’s just in the text later in the same section. Not sure how to 
>>>>>>>>>> adda pointer here. I also don’t think this is needed.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 14) <!--  [rfced] Mention of BCP 69 was removed to the HTML and
>>>>>>>>>>> PDF could link directly to Section 5.2.1 of RFC 3449.  Would you
>>>>>>>>>>> prefer that BCP 69 be included as the cite tag?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> Section 5.2.1 of BCP 69 [RFC3449] gives best current practice on
>>>>>>>>>>> filtering (aka. thinning or coalescing) of pure TCP ACKs.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>> Section 5.2.1 of RFC 3449 [BCP69] gives best current practice on
>>>>>>>>>>> filtering (aka thinning or coalescing) of pure TCP ACKs.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Please aline this with whatever the normal practice is supposed to 
>>>>>>>>>> be now. I don’t have a real opinion here.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 15) <!-- [rfced]  Does "even if it is" refer to using AccECN
>>>>>>>>>>> without ECN++ or with
>>>>>>>>>>> ECN++?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> However, it might omit some AccECN ACKs, because  AccECN can be
>>>>>>>>>>> used without ECN++ and even if it is, ECN++ does not  have to
>>>>>>>>>>> make pure ACKs ECN-capable - only deployment experience  will
>>>>>>>>>>> tell.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>> However, it might omit some AccECN ACKs because  AccECN can be
>>>>>>>>>>> used without ECN++.  Even if ECN++ is used, it does not  have to
>>>>>>>>>>> make pure ACKs ECN-capable - only deployment experience  will
>>>>>>>>>>> tell.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If we split up in two sentences, I this this would be maybe better:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> However, it might omit some AccECN ACKs because AccECN can be used
>>>>>>>>>> without ECN++.  Even if ECN++ is used, pure ACKs do not
>>>>>>>>>> necessarily have to be marked as ECN-capable - only deployment
>>>>>>>>>> experience will tell.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 16) <!-- [rfced] Instead of using [RFC3168] as an adjective, may
>>>>>>>>>>> we update this text to refer to "Classic ECN"?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> One way around this could be to only negotiate for Accurate ECN,
>>>>>>>>>>> but not offer a fall back to [RFC3168] ECN.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>> One way around this could be to only negotiate for Accurate ECN,
>>>>>>>>>>> but not offer a fall back to Classic ECN [RFC3168].
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> For LRO in the receive direction, a different issue may get
>>>>>>>>>>> exposed with [RFC3168] ECN supporting hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>> For LRO in the receive direction, a different issue may get
>>>>>>>>>>> exposed with Classic-ECN [RFC3168] supporting hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, please.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 17) <!-- [rfced] Throughout: We have removed the section titles
>>>>>>>>>>> and linked the section numbers directly to the section of the RFC
>>>>>>>>>>> specified.  For example, the text has been updated as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> *  The whole of "6.1.1 TCP Initialization" of [RFC3168] is
>>>>>>>>>>> updated by  Section 3.1 of the present specification.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Current:
>>>>>>>>>>> *  The whole of Section 6.1.1 of [RFC3168] is updated by Section
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.1  of the present specification.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> In the HTML and PDF files, "Section 6.1.1 links to Section 6.1.1 of 
>>>>>>>>>>> RFC 3168.
>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and let us know if you prefer the section titles be 
>>>>>>>>>>> included.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This is fine.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 18) <!-- [rfced] We are unclear why "potentially updates" is
>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned here.  Is it mentioned to cover implementations of RFC
>>>>>>>>>>> 3168 have not been updated yet and/or potential future updates?  
>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise, may it be cut?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> It will be noted that RFC 8311 already updates, or potentially
>>>>>>>>>>> updates, a number of the requirements in "6.1.2.  The TCP Sender".
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> RFC8311 says in some parts that it explicitly doesn’t update RFC3168 
>>>>>>>>>> because a new experimental RFC should do that instead but it 
>>>>>>>>>> provided the “legitimacy" to update… this is a weird thing anyway 
>>>>>>>>>> but I agree that probably saying “potentially updates” doesn’t help 
>>>>>>>>>> either. I’d be okay to simply remove that.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 19) <!-- [rfced] As we believe "pressure" refers to options vying
>>>>>>>>>>> for limited space, perhaps this update would be more clear?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> When option space is under pressure from other options, Section
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.2.3.3 provides guidance on how important it is to send an
>>>>>>>>>>> AccECN Option relative to other options, and which fields are
>>>>>>>>>>> more important to include.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>> Because option space is limited, Section 3.2.3.3 provides
>>>>>>>>>>> guidance on how important it is to send an AccECN Option relative
>>>>>>>>>>> to other options and specifies which fields are more important to 
>>>>>>>>>>> include.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Okay for me.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 20) <!-- [rfced] Please confirm "experimental" is correct here.
>>>>>>>>>>> We ask because RFC 7713 is an Informational RFC.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> ConEx is an experimental change to the Data Sender that would be
>>>>>>>>>>> most useful when combined with AccECN.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, rfc7731 in informational but that's only explains the 
>>>>>>>>>> architecture. But the protocol documents RFC7837 and RFC7786 are 
>>>>>>>>>> experimental.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 21) <!-- [rfced] We have updated the registry title per the note
>>>>>>>>>>> below from IANA.  While draft-ietf-tsvwg-udp-options has not yet
>>>>>>>>>>> been published, this title matches what currently appears on the
>>>>>>>>>>> IANA site. Please let us know any concerns.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> NOTE: The name of the registry called "TCP Experimental Option 
>>>>>>>>>>> Experiment Identifiers (TCP ExIDs)" in the IANA Considerations 
>>>>>>>>>>> section has been changed to "TCP/UDP Experimental Option Experiment 
>>>>>>>>>>> Identifiers (TCP/UDP ExIDs)," per draft-ietf-tsvwg-udp-options-45.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> Early experimental implementations of the two AccECN Options used
>>>>>>>>>>> experimental option 254 per [RFC6994] with the 16-bit magic
>>>>>>>>>>> numbers
>>>>>>>>>>> 0xACC0 and 0xACC1 respectively for Order 0 and 1, as allocated in
>>>>>>>>>>> the IANA "TCP Experimental Option Experiment Identifiers (TCP 
>>>>>>>>>>> ExIDs)"
>>>>>>>>>>> registry.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, thanks!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 22) <!-- [rfced] Please consider whether the placement of B at
>>>>>>>>>>> the end of the sentence is correct.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> This opens up a potential covert channel of up to 29B (40 -
>>>>>>>>>>> (2+3*3)) B.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, please remove the last B
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 23) <!-- [rfced] This sentence reads a bit awkwardly.  Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>> this can be rephrased?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> No known way can yet be contrived for a receiver to take
>>>>>>>>>>> advantage of this behaviour, which seems to always degrade its
>>>>>>>>>>> own performance.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>> Currently, there is no known way for a receiver to take advantage
>>>>>>>>>>> of this behaviour, which seems to always degrade its own
>>>>>>>>>>> performance.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, thanks
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 24) <!-- [rfced] Instead of "show up more easily", perhaps "be
>>>>>>>>>>> more easily identified" would improve readability?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> A generic privacy concern of any new protocol is that for a while
>>>>>>>>>>> it will be used by a small population of hosts, and thus show up
>>>>>>>>>>> more easily.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe:
>>>>>>>>>> A generic privacy concern of any new protocol is that for a while
>>>>>>>>>> it will be used by a small population of hosts, and thus those
>>>>>>>>>> hosts could be more easily identified.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 25) <!-- [rfced] We have updated the text as shown below.  Please
>>>>>>>>>>> let us know any concerns.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> However, it is expected that this option will become available in
>>>>>>>>>>> operating systems over time, and eventually turned on by default
>>>>>>>>>>> in them.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Current:
>>>>>>>>>>> However, it is expected that AccECN will become available in
>>>>>>>>>>> operating systems over time and that it will eventually be turned
>>>>>>>>>>> on by default.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 26) <!-- [rfced] [RoCEv2]
>>>>>>>>>>> Please review. We could not confirm the Volume or Release number
>>>>>>>>>>> for this reference. Note that there is information at the current
>>>>>>>>>>> URL which mentions "Volume 1 Release 1.8" (see: 
>>>>>>>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.infinibandta.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/IBTA-Overview-of-IBTA-Volume-1-Release-1.8.pdf__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvs2LQeOvU$
>>>>>>>>>>>  ).
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like us to update this reference to Release 1.8, use a
>>>>>>>>>>> version-less reference, or keep the Release 1.4 version of the 
>>>>>>>>>>> reference?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Current:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> [RoCEv2]   InfiniBand Trade Association, "InfiniBand Architecture
>>>>>>>>>>>     Specification", Volume 1, Release 1.4, 2020,
>>>>>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.infinibandta.org/ibta-specification/__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvsUPWHlV0$
>>>>>>>>>>>  >.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> [RoCEv2]   InfiniBand Trade Association, "InfiniBand Architecture
>>>>>>>>>>>     Specification",
>>>>>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.infinibandta.org/ibta-specification/__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvsUPWHlV0$
>>>>>>>>>>>  >.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> OR
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> [RoCEv2]   InfiniBand Trade Association, "InfiniBand Architecture
>>>>>>>>>>>     Specification", Volume 1, Release 1.8, July 2024,
>>>>>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.infinibandta.org/ibta-specification/__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvsUPWHlV0$
>>>>>>>>>>>  >.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Please use the version-less reference.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 27) <!-- [rfced] May we update "implement" to "satisfy" to
>>>>>>>>>>> clarify the text and avoid "implementers implement"?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> However, implementers are free to choose other ways to implement
>>>>>>>>>>> the requirements.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Okay.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 28) <!-- [rfced] The following note was included in the XML.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ToDo: Note to RFC Editor: Pls change all bare <artwork> elements
>>>>>>>>>>> (without any keywords like align) to <sourcecode>.
>>>>>>>>>>> Reason My XML editor doesn't support the <sourcecode> element, so
>>>>>>>>>>> it mangles line breaks within sourcecode, ignoring even CDATA 
>>>>>>>>>>> protection.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We have updated the XML file as noted.  Please let us know how/if 
>>>>>>>>>>> he "type"
>>>>>>>>>>> attribute of each sourcecode element should be set. Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>> some/all should be marked as pseudocode?
>>>>>>>>>>> If the current list of preferred values for "type"
>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/rpc/wiki/
>>>>>>>>>>> doku.php?id=sourcecode-types__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvs2ag7Uq0$
>>>>>>>>>>>  ) does not contain an applicable type, then feel free to let us 
>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, it is acceptable to leave the "type" attribute not set.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I think pseudocode should be fine for all artwork in the 
>>>>>>>>>> appendix.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 29) <!-- [rfced] We are having trouble parsing this sentence.
>>>>>>>>>>> Where does the "which" statement end - after "full-sized"?  Does 
>>>>>>>>>>> "it" refer to the algorithm?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> However, we shall start
>>>>>>>>>>> with the simplest algorithm, which assumes segments are all full-
>>>>>>>>>>> sized and ultra-conservatively it assumes that ECN marking was
>>>>>>>>>>> 100% on the forward path when ACKs on the reverse path started to
>>>>>>>>>>> all be dropped.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes and yes. Which ends after “full-sized” and it is the algorithm.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 30) <!-- [rfced] May we change "works out" to "indicates" or 
>>>>>>>>>>> "determines"?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> The above formula works out that it would still be safe to assume
>>>>>>>>>>> 2 CE marks (because 9 - ((9-2) % 8) = 2).
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> “indicates” is fine.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 31) <!-- [rfced] Does "5% of full-sized" mean segments are "5% of 
>>>>>>>>>>> their full
>>>>>>>>>>> size"?  May we change "as long as" to "while" for readability?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> The simple algorithm for dSafer.cep above requires no monitoring of
>>>>>>>>>>> prevailing conditions and it would still be safe if, for example,
>>>>>>>>>>> segments were on average at least 5% of full-sized as long as ECN
>>>>>>>>>>> marking was 5% or less.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Not of “their” full-size but 5% of a full-sized packet.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 32) <!-- [rfced] We updated the text to point directly to Section 
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.2.2.5.2
>>>>>>>>>>> (where the quoted text appears).  Please let us know any concerns.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> If missing acknowledgement numbers arrive later (due to reordering),
>>>>>>>>>>> Section 3.2.2.5 says "the Data Sender MAY attempt to neutralize the
>>>>>>>>>>> effect of any action it took based on a conservative assumption that
>>>>>>>>>>> it later found to be incorrect".
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Okay.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 33) <!-- [rfced] We are having trouble parsing "will consider d.cep 
>>>>>>>>>>> can replace".
>>>>>>>>>>> Please clarify.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> The chart below shows when the above algorithm will consider d.cep
>>>>>>>>>>> can replace dSafer.cep as a safe enough estimate of the number of 
>>>>>>>>>>> CE-
>>>>>>>>>>> marked packets:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>> The chart below shows when the above algorithm will consider the 
>>>>>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>>>>>> of CE-marked packets as a safe enough estimate to replace dsafer.cep
>>>>>>>>>>> with d.cep.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I think this should have been:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> NEW
>>>>>>>>>> The chart below shows when the above algorithm will consider that 
>>>>>>>>>> d.cep
>>>>>>>>>> can replace dSafer.cep as a safe enough estimate of the number of CE
>>>>>>>>>> marked packets:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Or this might be more clear (?):
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> NEW
>>>>>>>>>> The chart below shows when the above algorithm will consider
>>>>>>>>>> d.cep as a safe enough estimate of the number of CE
>>>>>>>>>> marked packets and replace dSafer.cep with it:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Or I guess we can simplify a bit and remove the word consider:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> NEW
>>>>>>>>>> The chart below shows when the above algorithm will
>>>>>>>>>> replace dSafer.cep with d.cep as a safe enough estimate of the 
>>>>>>>>>> number of CE
>>>>>>>>>> marked packets:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 34) <!-- [rfced] To what does "this" refer - the ACK?  The sentence 
>>>>>>>>>>> prior is
>>>>>>>>>>> included for context.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> If AccECN Options are not available, the Data Sender can only decode
>>>>>>>>>>> CE-marking from the ACE field in packets.  Every time an ACK 
>>>>>>>>>>> arrives,
>>>>>>>>>>> to convert this into an estimate of CE-marked bytes, it needs an
>>>>>>>>>>> average of the segment size, s_ave.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> convert the number of CE markings into an estimated CE-marked bytes
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 35) <!-- [rfced] Does "earlier versions" refer to earlier draft 
>>>>>>>>>>> versions of this
>>>>>>>>>>> document?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>> This development consumed the remaining 2 codepoints
>>>>>>>>>>> on the SYN/ACK that had been reserved for future use by AccECN in
>>>>>>>>>>> earlier versions.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes earlier version of the protocol defined in earlier versions of 
>>>>>>>>>> this document.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 36) <!-- [rfced] Please review the following terminology-related 
>>>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> A) We updated the following to the form on the right.  Please let 
>>>>>>>>>>> us know if any
>>>>>>>>>>> corrections are needed.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> not-ECT vs Not-ECT
>>>>>>>>>>> no ECN vs No ECN
>>>>>>>>>>> ECN Nonce vs ECN-Nonce vs ECN nonce (to match RFC 3540)
>>>>>>>>>>> Cubic vs CUBIC (to match RFC 9438)
>>>>>>>>>>> IP ECN field vs IP-ECN field
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I think this should be IP ECN field. It’s also TCP ECN flag.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ECN capable vs ECN-capable (to match RFC 3168, though we wonder if 
>>>>>>>>>>> it should be open (ECN capable) when not acting as an adjective 
>>>>>>>>>>> appearing before then noun.
>>>>>>>>>>> time-out vs timeout
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> CE mark* vs CE-mark* - updated to use the hyphen when acting as an 
>>>>>>>>>>> adjective
>>>>>>>>>>> appearing before the noun
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> B) Please review occurrences of the terms below and let us know 
>>>>>>>>>>> if/how they may
>>>>>>>>>>> be made consistent.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> TCP Option vs TCP option (perhaps TCP Option when referring to a 
>>>>>>>>>>> specific option?)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> TCP Option aligns with RFC9293. I would use that everywhere.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Established state  vs established state vs ESTABLISHED state
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, let’s aways use ESTABLISHED state as in RFC9293.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> half connection vs half-connection
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Let's go for half-connection.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> C) We note that "time-stamp" is used consistently.  However, RFC 
>>>>>>>>>>> 7323 uses "timestamp".  May we update the text for consistency?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, please use timestamp.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 37) <!-- [rfced] Please review whether any of the notes in this 
>>>>>>>>>>> document
>>>>>>>>>>> should be in the <aside> element. It is defined as "a container for
>>>>>>>>>>> content that is semantically less important or tangential to the
>>>>>>>>>>> content that surrounds it" 
>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://authors.ietf.org/en/rfcxml-vocabulary*aside__;Iw!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvsnpJFfQI$
>>>>>>>>>>>  ).
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> You mean everything that starts with “Note.”? Would that be 
>>>>>>>>>> different displayed? I think I would prefer to not display it 
>>>>>>>>>> differently than other text.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 38) <!-- [rfced] Some author comments are present in the XML. 
>>>>>>>>>>> Please confirm
>>>>>>>>>>> that no updates related to these comments are outstanding. Note 
>>>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>>>> comments will be deleted prior to publication.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Richard and Bob would need to double-check this.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 39) <!-- [rfced] Please review the "Inclusive Language" portion of 
>>>>>>>>>>> the online
>>>>>>>>>>> Style Guide 
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/styleguide/part2/*inclusive_language__;Iw!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvsWYz5Npc$
>>>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>>> and let us know if any changes are needed.  Updates of this nature 
>>>>>>>>>>> typically
>>>>>>>>>>> result in more precise language, which is helpful for readers.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Note that our script did not flag any words in particular, but this 
>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>> still be reviewed as a best practice.
>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>> Mirja
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Editor
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 2025, at 12:31 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> *****IMPORTANT*****
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Updated 2025/08/12
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>> Diff file of the text:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-diff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvs6ny6L20$
>>>>>>>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-rfcdiff.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvsEhb8T7I$
>>>>>>>>>>>   (side by side)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9768-xmldiff1.html__;!!Nhn8V6BzJA!XwUmEkpehjDoArabCpWTxDxlaoZVE1ALxCQ_XgqHW_8N1kURRf_rjobYVJ4s33CBHpn234Ix73JBwJJOXOfgstaqjFvsYeyyjhI$
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>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Editor
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>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> RFC 9768 (draft-ietf-tcpm-accurate-ecn-34)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Title            : More Accurate Explicit Congestion Notification 
>>>>>>>>>>> (AccECN) Feedback in TCP
>>>>>>>>>>> Author(s)        : B. Briscoe, M. Kühlewind, R. Scheffenegger
>>>>>>>>>>> WG Chair(s)      : Yoshifumi Nishida, Michael Tüxen
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Area Director(s) : Gorry Fairhurst, Mike Bishop
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