I was too quick! Zoltan is right, the feedback folder is the place to put it. --Jean
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 14:17 +0200, Reizinger Zoltán wrote: > Hi Cecilia, > > Best way to put into OOoAuthors Base feedback folder,: > http://www.oooauthors.org/english/userguide3/db3/base3_feedback, > and send an email to authors mailing list about it. > It will not be missed, and others can review it, too. > > Zoltan > > > 2010.10.04. 14:06 keltezéssel, Cecilia Cheung írta: > > Hi Zoltan, > > I have put together an outline of restructured Chapter 1 of the Base user > > guide. What is the best way to send it to you? > > Cecilia > > > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] > >> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:59:33 +0100 > >> Subject: RE: [authors] Base Guide > >> > >> > >> Hi Zoltan, > >> Thank you very much for giving me a brief background on the development of > >> the Base user guide, and the links for technical info. I will have a look > >> at the collection of documents you suggested, and let you know whether I > >> can work on the user guide or not, so please give me a few days to go > >> through those documents. > >> Cecilia > >> > >>> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:45:11 +0200 > >>> From: [email protected] > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: [authors] Base Guide > >>> > >>> Hi Cecilia, > >>> > >>> The only technical documentations are the specifications: > >>> http://dba.openoffice.org/specifications/index.html > >>> and hsqldb 1.8 user guide: http://hsqldb.org/doc/guide/ > >>> > >>> Developers guide contain all OOo including Base: > >>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide > >>> > >>> The developers introduce new features in featu...@dba mailing list: > >>> http://dba.openoffice.org/servlets/SummarizeList?listName=features > >>> you can dig out some useful things. > >>> > >>> On the Base wiki page you can find some developers created documents, > >>> useful links to users created content: > >>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Base > >>> > >>> On user forum we created Base tutorials, more or less useful: > >>> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewforum.php?f=83 > >>> > >>> Thats the all what I can collect to you, no more. > >>> Regards, > >>> Zoltan > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> 010.09.16. 21:17 keltezéssel, Cecilia Cheung írta: > >>>> Hi Jean, > >>>> Are there any design documents on Base written by the developers? If the > >>>> Base user guide were to be reorganised, then technical information will > >>>> be required as foundation to support the guide. I can only commit myself > >>>> to the work of rewriting the guide after I have seen those documents. > >>>> Would that be OK with you? > >>>> Cecilia > >>>>> From: [email protected] > >>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 07:06:56 +1000 > >>>>> Subject: [authors] Base Guide (was: review helper) > >>>>> > >>>>> I have briefly skimmed the draft Base Guide chapters on several > >>>>> occasions and have been concerned about several of the same points that > >>>>> Cecilia makes (and, I believe, one or two others have made). I agree > >>>>> that the chapter needs some reorganisation, new and/or rewriten > >>>>> material, and a diagram or two. I think it needs to include some > >>>>> material for inexperienced database users, although some pointers to > >>>>> other documents (including the Getting Started guide chapter and > >>>>> Marino's mid-level tutorial) might suffice. It's always difficult to > >>>>> decide how much explanation about basic concepts to include, no matter > >>>>> which module of OOo we're writing about. > >>>>> > >>>>> I keep hoping to produce a draft, or at least an outline, of a revised > >>>>> chapter, but so far I've failed to find time to do so. Meanwhile, I also > >>>>> keep hoping that someone like Cecilia will come along and make some > >>>>> further revisions before I get to it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Jean > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Jean Hollis Weber > >>>>> Co-Lead, OpenOffice.org Documentation Project > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sat, 2010-09-11 at 23:15 +0100, Cecilia Cheung wrote: > >>>>>> Hello Zoltan, > >>>>>> Having just quickly scanned through some of the text you suggested, > >>>>>> it seems that there are inconsistency in referring the database > >>>>>> engine, some text referred it as HSQL, while other referred it as > >>>>>> HSQLDB. In the world of databases, MySQL, Microsoft Access, Oracle etc > >>>>>> are database management systems (DBMS), very rarely refer to as > >>>>>> database programs.If we are writing a user guide for Base, the guide > >>>>>> should have self contained information clearly telling the users what > >>>>>> they need to know about Base and how to do X,Y,Z. If we assume our > >>>>>> target audience has knowledge of database, then why are we trying to > >>>>>> explain what a database is in the introduction of chapter 1. Wouldn't > >>>>>> it be more beneficial to have a diagram or two showing where Base sits > >>>>>> among the different components of the OOo software suite, what Base is > >>>>>> made up of, the environment it runs on, and which component of the OOo > >>>>>> suite interacts with Base?I find the explanation on table, view, > >>>>>> database, data source very confusing and as a result, additional notes > >>>>>> were added in an attempt to clarify the differences. It is always > >>>>>> helpful to have a glossary of terms for reference. > >>>>>> Cecilia > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 21:20:38 +0200 > >>>>>>> From: [email protected] > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [authors] review helper > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hello Cecilia, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2010.09.11. 19:27 keltezéssel, Cecilia Cheung írta: > >>>>>>>> Hello Zoltan, > >>>>>>>> Thank you for your info. I have just started reading chapter 1 - > >>>>>>>> Introducing Base.As I am new to this document, I found the following: > >>>>>>>> 1) unclear terminology used - for example: database program2) > >>>>>>>> unclear statement - for example: > >>>>>>>> With > >>>>>>>> the right program called a driver, Base can access databases like > >>>>>>>> these as well as others.3) terms used that have not been introduced > >>>>>>>> or explained, an example is:Base > >>>>>>>> uses the HSQLDB 1.8 > >>>>>>>> database engine to create and later update ODF 1.2 database frontend > >>>>>>>> documents. > >>>>>>> I suppose. may be I wrong, that the readers pick this user guide, > >>>>>>> after > >>>>>>> they went through "Getting Started with OpenOffice.org 3" > >>>>>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Getting_Started > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> and they knows database basic terms from GS Base chapter: > >>>>>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Getting_Started/Getting_Started_with_Base > >>>>>>>> Listed above are just a few but not limited areas that I picked up > >>>>>>>> as I was reading.If we assume our target audience has no knowledge > >>>>>>>> of database, then we have to communicate in clear, plain and well > >>>>>>>> structured text. In this occasion, the document seemed to have > >>>>>>>> fallen short of that goal. > >>>>>>> The chapter what you reviewed is a first chapter to the user guide, > >>>>>>> which contain more chapters, when we finished will be a book. > >>>>>>> May be needs to add an annex after last chapter, explanation of all > >>>>>>> database specific terms. > >>>>>>> Zoltan > >>>>>>> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
