Peter Donald wrote:
> 
> > You mean your innocent this time? ;)
> 
> Me innocent? I don't think so. I must have looked into the future and stole
> his ideas that way, I am a magic code monkey !! ;)

Now your being modest (uhuh, yeah).

> > Gee that helps.
> 
> That was mild to some of the ire I get from some of the other zealots. Did I
> ever tell you how I was betraying Apache? That was fun ;)

It wasn't a slashdotter was it?  Most of the time it's teenagers who have no
respect because they haven't contributed a single line of code that make such
statements.  It's easy to criticize when you aren't contributing.

<note>
  For our teenagers who are contributing, I find you guys alot more
  respectful--thanks.
</note>


> > > > * filters should be in org.apache.log.output.filter or similar (they
> > > > are only used by output targets)
> >
> > -0
> 
> -1
> 
> Nice in theory but I like backwards compatability. *maybe* if we decide to
> make major changes between beta->stable but I am reluctent to do it at this
> stage (and probably still reluctent then).

Definitely agreed

> I could probably do a nicer summary but that will have to wait till stable
> release and time permits.

Understandable

> > > > * Why use testlet when there is junit
> >
> > We do need to remove the reference to Testlet in the release docs.
> 
> Yup. Should we also remove it from webpage references or should we leave it
> as is? I reckon we leave it in for a bit and eventually remove
> links/discussion of it so that it is only linked from historic section?

Right now, the links state that Testlet has been deprecated in favor of JUnit.

> > > > * why so big download (answer == tools/ext)
> >
> > Do we want to include all that?  Maybe for the Source, but not for
> > the binaries.
> 
> It is only in the source downloads and I am not sure we can remove it if we
> need docs built so ... lets ignore this unless more people complain.

Um, the docs aren't that big--it would probably be best to build the docs for
the users, and leave all the rest of the stuff out of the release.

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