Sam Ruby wrote:

> Responding out of order.
> 
> Berin Loritsch wrote:
> 
> Note that this is the same Berin Loritsch who is concerned about depending
> on componentry outside of the Avalon family due to perceived loss of
> control.


I never said I couldn't be convinced, I just said that there are things I need
to know first.

You'll find me alot easier to convince than the Axis crowd ;)



>>Could you more expound on these fears toward Avalon that you are aware of,
>>since I was honest and forthcoming enough to share the ones I have toward
>>Commons?
>>
> 
> There are quite a few projects under the Apache umbrella that I see as
> simultaneously unwilling to depend on others, and puzzled that more people
> are not willing to depend on them.
> 
> 
>>Do I want to increase the Avalon community?  Definitely!  I don't see how
>>moving Avalon code outside of Avalon increases *Avalon's* community.  I
>>
> can
> 
>>see how it increases *Commons* community.
>>
> 
> Sigh.
> 
> Turbine and Struts are generally polar opposites, but at least they can
> share a set of collections classes.


Perhaps, but as I said before, I can't commit the Avalon team on my own, and I
haven't seen any of the other committers input on this yet.  In the end, it is
a team decision.


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