On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:15, Jeff Turner wrote: > On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 09:29:18PM +1100, Peter Donald wrote: > ... > > > > To drive this point home, the subject line of this thread identifies > > > exactly one such set of duplication - between Turbine and Struts. My > > > nagging lead Berin to propose moving the Avalon collections code into > > > commons, to which you responded, and I quote, "+/- 0". > > > > I was hoping Jeff would do it as he seemed to be involved over there ;) > > I saw the "+/- 0", and that Berin hadn't voted, and then thought of how > this would look to Commons people: as a code "dump"; abandoned by it's > authors, singlehandedly maintained by someone who might disappear at any > moment (from their POV; I'm not going anywhere;). Quite a big ask. > > Though if you're okay with it (forking is a bit.. impolite:), I'll make > an attempt sometime late Feb (after holidays.. wheee).
kool. > 'twasn't Avalon code, but yes.. it pains me to think of all those XML > doctype decls flying around, unchanged.. ;) no idea what you are talking about ;) > The lack of project-wide sense of responsibility is the biggest problem > for Commons (and jakarta-taglibs, incidentally). It's something I aim to > help solve the old-fashioned way. kool. > > * I no longer care about duplication and wheel reinvention (it will > > happen anyway) > > Yep, to a degree. Though without a simultaneous commitment to document > the resulting forks/duplications and preferably cull the old code, then > Jon's worst predictions will come true and we can kiss Jakarta goodbye > now. I think *that* jakarta is long gone - the people who care about that are also the ones who will not compromise. Thus I look forward to the new jakarta 10 versions of every project - many may suck but at least a few survive and thrive. BTW it may be a good idea to look at the history of GNU project > > 1. People who are not associated with codebase nor ever contributed to it > > get voting rights over codebase (who needs meritocracy anyways) > > Has that turned out to be a problem in practice? no idea - I saw plenty of bitch slapping the last few times i resubscribed to ask something httpclient was one of them, logging was another, then there was something about some other project that I can't recall. Luckily I was only on the list for 24 hours so it didn't annoy me. Essentially they were all caused by people voting for things who had not earned the right to vote. Some issues would still arise but I have seen enough bad behaviour to expect the worst ;) > Say if you think so, > and we can propose a modification to the charter: "The votes of those > who haven't committed to a project are non-binding". If you can get that in then I will wander over there eventually ;) > > 2. Stable packages still have to go via sandbox and go through that whole > > painful voting process (yet more non-contributors getting votes over > > codebase) 3. Im not a committer > > You are. 'donaldp' listed for jakarta-commons and > jakarta-commons-sandbox. oh - i c ;) -- Cheers, Pete ------------------------------------------------------------ I just got lost in thought... It was unfamiliar territory. ------------------------------------------------------------ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
