On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:55, Paul Hammant wrote:
> We will have gone from a position of an easy build of a big jar (that
> itself being an acceptance problem) to a difficult build of many small
> jars.  I think the new MEME to be associated with Avalon would be "I
> can't build it, I have no idea what it is or how useful it is".

Funny - I would have said the opposite. That used to be the old problem. 
Given that I just tried to build ftpserver and it FAILED, then I tried 
to build db and it FAILED, a few weeks ago I tried to build phoenix and it 
passed but with CORRUPT jars, a week before that the same occured with 
phoenix, and a week before that pheonix was also broken. 

So exactly how is it easier to have these corruptions and failures?

I am TIRED of having to fix build problems that arise because people are 
using jakarta-avalon/tools and those stupid build.* scripts. Look at all the 
ugly hacks in the build files that are present to get around the failure of 
that.

I have no problem putting some jars in CVS - especially ones of highly 
"dynamic" projects. However things like xalan, xerces, ant, junit and so 
forth should not be put in CVS because inevitably they will cause headaces 
and incompatabiliteis - especially now that JDK1.4 includes xalan and crimson.

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Cheers,

Pete

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