*coughs*...

> This is an interesting history lesson - really interesting!  I'm holding 
> on to my objections to the points noted above, but my objections are not 
> really relevant to the fundimentals of your post. To me those 
> fundimentals your are raising can be distilled down to the recognition 
> of two different needs and the observation the these needs have been 
> folded together in the context of mutual interests - but in doing so, 
> the longer term implication have to some extend been compromised 
> something. Was the compromise justified - my guess is yes - after all 
> Avalon is here today and it is the best framework I know of - 
> compromises inclusive.

...okay, so I missed Stefano's intentions here. This sums up rather
nicely what I said rather clumsily.

cheers,

- Leo



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