On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 19:26, Paul Hammant wrote:
> Folks,   
> 
> As promised I cornered first Vincent Massol and then James Strachan on 
> the subject of Maven and Jelly (though the latter is not as obviously 
> compelling to us).  Getting close to them at the way-busier than usual 
> eXtreme Tuesday was difficult.  It was a bit like Joseph Conrad's "Heart 
> of Darkness" (filmed as Apocalypse Now).
> 
> Anyway, it seems Maven is ready for prime time.   My previous assumption 
> is that Maven is best for template solutions (Excalibur's various 
> sub-projects being a good example).  I was wrong it is just as good for 
> single highly customised project builds.  Virtually everyone there left 
> with a good impression of Maven and a mental note to use it soon in 
> company and open-source solutions ASAP.  I'm going to compare notes with 
> some people who have been using it for a while and see what they think. 
>   Essentially though, I am left with the impression that we should phase 
> it in real soon.

I am willing to provide any help necessary to make this happen. I think
that Peter found this time around that Maven was easy to build with. I
have a couple more Avalon project descriptors and I am very keen to see
more as I am now an Avalon user. Vincent is as well.

I am reworking the plug-in mechanism this week and the POM will go
through it's final phase of changes but we are estimating that these
will be the final changes as we have received quite a bit of feedback.
There's been ~1000 downloads of Maven from ibiblio so far, so we are
getting some useful feedback now.

There will be a beta-7 and probably a beta-8, after which we will enter
into the release candidate phase. There will still be some changes but
almost everything has been moved out of core so we have a small core
with a satellite of plug-ins.
 
I can keep making Avalon project descriptors, help others make them,
help with a forrest plugin if that's what you would prefer to use for
your docs and I will help keep them updated. 

At any rate I am hopeful that Maven can provide what you need to make
things easier, generally more comprehensible for developers and
especially make life easier for your users.

> James spent quite a bit of time talking of Jelly.  Way cool, check it 
> out:  http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/jelly/
> 
> Regards,
> 
> - Paul
> 
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