Dear all, as most of you are probably at least dimly aware, there exists bad blood between the committers mentioned in the subject line. This has (publicly) been clear ever since the 'meta model wars', and has more recently been subject of debate (I'd personally call it mudslinging, even if not so intended) within several new mailing lists, including reorg@apache, general@commons and incubator@apache.
I have spent some time talking to both offline trying to figure out where the problems lie and how they could be fixed in some way that would be agreeable to both. I can't really see how. I am also still unsure where the root of the problem lies. The impression I have of where things are going now is that Peter will reduce his involvement in avalon, probably moving the stuff he is involved in to other projects if applicable, or off of apache if not. I also believe Stephen is aiming for modification of stuff like voting guidelines @ avalon, setting up an avalon PMC etc. I think he believes this will make problems like have arisen between him and Pete not occur in the future, or to less an extend. I think neither of them believes the issues on the table can be resolved. I have no idea where we should all go with this. I think we all as a community fail when feuds like this arise and can not be dealth with sensibly. Saddening :'| At the moment I am just very concerned that fighting this 'battle' anywhere but outside the avalon community will hurt both our community and others. I am also concerned for the health of our project and other apache projects since it is apparantly very difficult to deal with these issues. I don't know where to go with this, don't know who is right, and don't know where things should go. I am unsure how to avoid situations like we have now in the future (though an answer might arise from the project guidelines @ incubator/commons, where fresh thought is going into these matters). I just think all committers should be aware of the issues and try and figure out what to do, if they can see a way out of deadlock. If that is impossible, I'd at least like Pete and Steve to make public their thoughts on this subject, so it is at least clear where we are all at. I don't think everyone realizes right now. best regards, Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:avalon-dev-unsubscribe@;jakarta.apache.org> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:avalon-dev-help@;jakarta.apache.org>
