Peter Donald wrote:
Ok - then tell me. How are things ever going to get better in Avalon then? We have codebases in Avalon that are divisve - all of them one-man codebases.
Sure we can propose a new framework/container...
Technically that is high risk, with a long incubation period and it is likely that a year from now it will still suck.
I like your optimism ;P
Socially it is unlikely to go much better and will likely only cause more division/polarization. We already have seen oodles of FUD and insults at even the mention of these things.
So far, the greatest amount of divisiveness has come from two people. We must learn to axe our egos, open our ears, and shut our mouths.
So whatever way you cut it you are setting Avalon up for a fall because code means nothing without community and in this environment there is little chance of community.
We can get there, we just need some humility.
- how long have we needed to move to maven for our builds. I know of at least three different committers who have expressed a desire to move towards it but are reluctent to propose it because they will be jumped on by Nicola. Sure it would be in Avalons best interests to upgrade (at least excalibur/scratchpad) to maven but it wouldn't be in centipedes best interest and thus ...
That's not the biggest issue.
- look to how Stefano acts like a tool everytime someone mentions anakia or says Cocoon is not the brightest star in the sky.
Again, this doesn't really affect the comunity.
- look at conflict between info/meta. Info is technically a far better choice but there is little chance of going wit it without massive conflict/FUD. There are two people who have said to me that they will block it regardless of technical merit (and neither was Stephen).
Again, a fresh start will sidestep the issue completely. The bottom line is this: there is too much self interest. To me, the chief interest right now is Avalon. I am not spending any time on any other project at the moment. I am trying to help us come to some agreements. I have some more to say in another email, but for the moment let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
