Paul Hammant wrote:
> 
> Push to Beta
> ============
> 
> Yes please.  I'd agree with most of the opinions posted previously.
> 
> Number of Jars
> ==============
> 
> Pete has a point.  Maybe, given that we're advanced ANT users, we could build 
> multiple targets for
> distribution :

Yes Pete has a point--but only because of the rediculousness of taking my 
argument to the
complete and utter extreme.  I have a definite list of what Cocoon requires and 
everytime
I try to get Pete to see that one jar for the Framework and those WELL TESTED 
components
is good, then I get a flippant or glib response that is basically throwing any 
argument
I have out the window.

Let's not take my argument to the extreme.  The natural separation of 
Cornerstone, Pheonix,
and Avalon Framework (and LogKit) is both acceptable and good.  My argument is 
to not take
the extreme approach in the other direction and have 20 jars where 3 or 4 are 
warranted.

>    * Avalon binaries in a single jar
>    * Avalon, Phoenix binaries in a single jar
>    * Avalon, phoenix and cornerstone binaries in a single jar (useful for an 
> out of the box demo).
> 
>    * ( all the existing assortment of downloadables )
> 
> Maybe those jars could be executable and self extracting?  There is a quite a 
> few nice
> possibilities here for ease of installation and upgrade.

That is a packaging issue for Pheonix, and might help there.  But keep in mind 
that Cocoon
attempted that approach, and people got confused over using the Jar as an 
archive vs. using
it as an executable.

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