Hi, Considering I am working at same problem (but from other end) I like the idea. There is a few issues I see jumping out though.
>From comments made by JDD (ex-PMC head), the presence of alternate licensed code in CVS is fine, even if copyright is not owned by Apache. The one proviso is that Apache members must not be modifying that code (The only example cases I know of include the jaxp/sax classes which are either copyright sun or in public domain). I am not sure if that is edified anywhere but in the worst case you could host the BSD interface layer elsewhere and just use it from ASLed code. The real issue is whether jesktop is in scope. A while back jakarta was declared out of scope as it had things like oro, regex, ant in it which were not part of the charter. There was a few proposed solutions; widen scope of jakarta to include tools, split jakarta into sites like * tools.apache.org (ant/oro/regex/log4j) * frameworks.apache.org (avalon/turbine/struts) ... The choice was made to widen scope to "server and server support". There was also discussion about where the future lies. I listed a whole bunch of things I wanted to see at jakarta but nothing much has happened. There are those who like the idea of a more controlled "JakartaForge" but then there are those that hate it (they term it dumping ground). (I personally think that a JakartaForge with proper controls on growth would be beneficial). jesktop as it stands is out of scope. The question is - would the PMC change the scope for you? and would the foundation let them? The answer: I don't know ;) Even if they did decide to change the scope I think it would be a gradual thing, so it would take time (and probably a fair bit of effort). I guess you will never know untill you ask. At 12:09 AM 6/8/01 +0100, Paul Hammant wrote: >Folks, > >Not everyone's idea of a sane server application, but Jesktop (to remind people) is a server app >that sits on top of Avalon/phoenix. Sane so far, yes, insane in that it is a layer that performs >the functions of a desktop operating system. > >It's been my intention all along to give it to Apache when it reaches a level of maturity. It is >kinda close. > >Jesktop grants multi hot-installable applications the ability to sit inside one VM and co-exist in >in the same GUI space, but under separate classloaders. Themes can be set for all apps (Decorator >concept), a mime registry has been started, there is abstractions for types of containment >(JFrames versus JInternalFrames). > >The core code is Apache license. The interfaces are BSD. The reason for BSD is simple - I have >ported a number of applications to Jesktop from the open source community and some of them are >GPL. To not break their licenses (any further than the original authors have done - ho ho), I >have used BSD as it's approved both by Apache and by the FSF. That situations not ideal as I'd >like to have made the licenses Apache throughout. I still could of course as it's all my work. > >As I say I am in a position soon enough to donate what I can to Apache (and still continue with it >myself). Questions, would the PMC say yes (they are not allergic to GUI apps are they)? What >should I do with the interfaces? Leave them as BSD, move them to Apache license (and damn the >consequences to the GPL ported apps that import them)? > >It might also be nice to know what I have done by way of ports: > > * Batik - the xml.apache.org GUI tool > * Horstscape (a browser with a commercial widget for rendering HTML) > * Beanshell - full scripting/command line env, with dynamic java capability. V cool. > * XBrowser - the GPL HTML Browser > * TextPad - GPL text editor > * Demos (various hacky gui demos of mixed license) > * Skin Look and Feel (Apache clone license) - as a Decorator > - this allows all hosted apps to look like Mac, Windows, Beos, Mozilla etc. > * OYOAHA (decorator too, with commercial but free look/widget) > * JPad - Text editor - GPL > * Jipe - IDE (non compiling) - GPL > * JTetris - Game - free > * JFileManager - as it says > * JCDSee - graphics browser - GPL > * JarUtil (winzip alike) Apache license > * Apps (clock, image viewer etc) > >Porting apps has become quite boring. It's a way for me to avoid the nitty gritty of making the >core code better and completing the partially done bits.... > >To recap, all can run at the same time. Jesktop can run alongside James, Cornerstone demos, other >SAR aplications. It has a pluggable window manager scheme (two Windows variants so far, Amiga, >Mac to do). > >I think it would be a worthy project for Apache, and with Avalon itself, could become ApacheOS >(forgetting for a min the underlying JDK). > >Jesktop itself is hosted at www.jesktop.org (down for a day or two while I rebuild). The ported >apps (of whichever license) are hosted at www.jesktop.net (also down). > >How to proceed? > >Could I gather some thoughts from those Avalon fans here before I go to the Jon Stevens & the PMC >? > >Regards, > >- Paul H > >____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk >or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cheers, Pete *-----------------------------------------------------* | "Faced with the choice between changing one's mind, | | and proving that there is no need to do so - almost | | everyone gets busy on the proof." | | - John Kenneth Galbraith | *-----------------------------------------------------* --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
