On 06/11/2007 02:55 PM, Stephen Wilson wrote:
Hi Ralf,

Ralf Hemmecke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
If you extend Integer then it will not be visible globally. Clearly,
it is visible only for those things that "see" the extension.

Of course you are completely correct.  The specific issue I was trying
to point out is illustrated by the following (note that I have not
been able to get Aldor working locally for a long time.   Binaries
from aldor.org do not work for some reason.

Send complaints to Stephen Watt and Lauretiu Dragan. But if you have a 64bit machine that could be some problem. There should be a hint by Christian Aistleitner concerning the 64bit problem in the aldor-l archive.

See also

http://www.aldor.org/pipermail/aldor-l/2005-September/000100.html

and maybe that is also relevant.

http://www.aldor.org/pipermail/aldor-l/2005-June/000074.html

This is from, possibly
bad, memory):


    Foo(T: Type): with {
        foo: () -> Boolean;
    } == add {
        if T has with {bar:() -> T} then
            foo(): Boolean == true;
        else
            foo(): Boolean == false;
    }


In such a situation, I belive the `has' predicate will see exports
defined via an `extend' occurring in a seperate compilation unit.
Perhaps you could verify?

OK.

---BEGIN aaa.as
#include "aldor"
Foo(T: Type): with {
    foo: () -> Boolean;
} == add {
    if T has with {binomial: (%, %) -> %} then
        foo(): Boolean == true;
    else
        foo(): Boolean == false;
}
---END aaa.as


---BEGIN bbb.as
#include "algebra"
#include "aldorio"
#library AAA "aaa.ao"
import from AAA;

main(): () == {
    stdout << "foo i == " << foo()$Foo(Integer) << newline;
    stdout << "foo s == " << foo()$Foo(String) << newline;
}

main();
---END bbb.as


aldor -laldor -fo -fao aaa.as
aldor -lalgebra -laldor -fx bbb.as aaa.o
bbb
foo i == T
foo s == F

But I could have told you the result without actually compiling. The reason is that Foo is a function and only at the time you call Foo(Integer) the "has" predicate gets evaluated.

It is more interesting to ask what happens in an interactive environment. So let's try.

woodpecker:~/scratch>aldor -gloop
     AA  L      DDDD      OOO    RRRR
    A A  L      D   D    O   O   R   R
   A  A  L      D    D  O     O  R   R
  AAAAA  L      D    D  O     O  RRRR
 A    A  L      D   D    O   O   R  R
A     A  LLLLL  DDDD      OOO    R   R

(c) Numerical Algorithms Group Ltd 1995-2001
Release: Aldor(C) version 1.0.3 for LINUX(glibc2.3) (debug version)
Type "#int help" for more details.
%1 >> #include "aldor"
%2 >> #include "aldorinterp"
%3 >> #library AAA "aaa.ao"
%4 >> import from AAA;
%5 >> foo()$Foo(Integer)
F @ Boolean
%6 >> #include "algebra"
%7 >> foo()$Foo(Integer)
T @ Boolean

You cannot even say that this is wrong or right. Foo(Integer) appears in a "type context" and according to the Aldor specification, it might or might not be evaluated.

I always thought Aldor's `extend' was designed to allow for the
enrichment of domains defined within a closed-source library, not as a
general mechanism for solving the kind of mutually recursive
definitions found in Axioms algebra.

I must say, even in an open-source environment, "extend" allows you to introduce layers of your library and thus allows to put more structure in the design.

One doesn't have to recompile the whole Axiom library if one thinks that Integer misses some function. That new function is completely irrelevant to existing parts of the library and only plays a role in newer parts. "extend" in my eyes helps to keep libraries maintainable.

Ralf




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