On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 14:02, Anne Thomas Manes wrote: > Daniel, > > I suggest that you ask this question on the JXTA list. As I recall, there > were a few folks playing with JXTA and SOAP a while ago. >
I know. It seems quite dead now though, but they did use Axis. > So what is your goal? To use JXTA as your discovery/connection method? I > certainly don't see any problem transferring a SOAP message using JXTA. > Yes. > Axis provides a simple transport framework that permits you to use a variety > of transport protocols. So you can use it with HTTP, SMTP, Jabber, etc. I > don't know if anyone on this list has build a transport plug-in for JXTA. > Hmm... Are these "transport plug-ins" Java/Axis-specific? I thought it would be logical to define a JXTA SOAP binding much like the HTTP SOAP binding. Or are you saying both are needed? I.e. a SOAP-level binding that describes e.g. how the SOAP request-response mode correlates to JXTA communication, and a Axis-level plug-in to support this. > (Note that JXTA isn't really a transport -- it operates at a higher level > and can run over a variety of transports, but I think you could still use > JXTA as a SOAP transport.) > Well, I suppose you could use it at different levels. You could embed JXTA messages in SOAP messages just as well as the other way around. But what I am working on is service discovery in P2P networks and I thought WSDL and SOAP would be useful for describing services. I will also use DAML-S for semantic descriptions for the "web" services (actually p2p services in my case). Thank you for your input /Daniel > Anne > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Daniel Elenius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 4:58 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Is it for me? [Was: RE: Axis vs. IBM WSTK vs. Sun Java WSDP] > > > > > > Thank you, Anne, that makes it a bit clearer. > > > > Now, maybe I should say what I need it for. I hope you, or someone else, > > can answer these questions. I am working on using WSDL and SOAP messages > > with JXTA (www.jxta.org) P2P networks. > > > > I think I can use Axis to easily create WSDL and SOAP messages from Java > > code, and the other way around (create Java interfaces of some sort from > > WSDL descriptions etc), right? > > > > I don't want to run http or application servers. Does Axis require this? > > Is the SOAP in JXTA always used with the HTTP binding? My code is > > supposed to run on resource-constrained devices (at least in a distant > > future). > > > > Which version of WSDL and SOAP does it support? > > > > regards, > > /daniel > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 03:56, Anne Thomas Manes wrote: > > > I sound also mention that Macromedia and Borland both distribute Axis in > > > their products, too. > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Anne Thomas Manes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:32 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: RE: Axis vs. IBM WSTK vs. Sun Java WSDP > > > > > > > > > > > > WSTK includes the binaries (not source) for Axis as well as wsdl4j, > > > > lotusXSL, uddi4j, and wsil4j. See > > > > http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/aw.nsf/reqs/webservicestoolkit. > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Daniel Elenius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:45 PM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: Axis vs. IBM WSTK vs. Sun Java WSDP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh. So WSTK is a proper superset of Axis? > > > > > > > > > > /Daniel > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 22:03, Doug Davis wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes and Yes. > > > > > > -Dug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barry Levinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 02/12/2003 04:00:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > cc: > > > > > > Subject: Re: Axis vs. IBM WSTK vs. Sun Java WSDP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't IBM WSTK use Axis? Isn't Axis distributed with WSTK? > > > > > > > > > > > > --Barry > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne Thomas Manes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sun's implementation is not open source. It is a reference > > > > > implementation. > > > > > > >The source is available, but it isn't open source. It is > > > > > subject to Sun's > > > > > > >source license. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The original Apache SOAP project is based on IBM's > > SOAP4J submission. > > > > > > SOAP4J > > > > > > >was the first published SOAP implementation. It had some > > > > architectural > > > > > > >limitations, so about 2 years ago, the SOAP team decided to > > > > > initiate a new > > > > > > >project (Axis). Sun's JAX-RPC project didn't start until > > a few months > > > > > > later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >IBM WSTK is alphaWorks technology. alphaWorks technology is > > > > > free, but not > > > > > > >necessarily open source. WSTK runs on either WebSphere or Tomcat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > > > > > > >>From: Daniel Elenius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > >>Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 12:14 PM > > > > > > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > >>Subject: RE: Axis vs. IBM WSTK vs. Sun Java WSDP > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>And are Sun's and IBM's runtime environments not open source? > > > > > Does WSTK > > > > > > >>require WebSphere to run? If Sun's runtime is open source, > > > > what is the > > > > > > >>motivation for this project? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>/Daniel > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 18:04, Anne Thomas Manes wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>IBM WSTK is based on Axis. > > > > > > >>>Both Axis and JWSDP support the JAX-RPC API. The tools are a > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>bit different, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>though. When you build a client or service with one, you > > > > > must deploy it > > > > > > >>>using that system's runtime environment. For that reason, > > > > > I'd recommend > > > > > > >>>using Axis. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>Anne > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>>-----Original Message----- > > > > > > >>>>From: Daniel Elenius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > >>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:50 AM > > > > > > >>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > >>>>Subject: Axis vs. IBM WSTK vs. Sun Java WSDP > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>Hi All! > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>I am new to web services, and I'd like to ask a newbie > > > > > question. I am > > > > > > >>>>doing a project about integrating WSDL/SOAP with JXTA > > > > (www.jxta.org). > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>How does Axis compare with IBM's Web Services Toolkit and > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>Sun's Java Web > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>>>Services Developer Pack? Are they all compatible somehow? > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>What features > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>>>differentiate them? As I understand, the current JXTA-SOAP > > > > > >>>>implementation is based on Axis, so I'll probably end up > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>using that, but > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>>>it would be interesting to know the differences. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>Regards, > > > > > >>>>-- > > > > > >>>>Daniel Elenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>-- > > > > > >>Daniel Elenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Daniel Elenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > -- > > Daniel Elenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -- Daniel Elenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
