Peter, > I must completely agree. I don't think it is intended for use beyond a > reference. We encountered problems with the WSDL generation tool, and were > unable to gain any support or ideas.
That's what I thought too. But just today I read the following on http://jax-rpc.dev.java.net/: The primary goal of an RI is to support the development of the specification and to validate it. Specific RIs can have additional goals; the JAX-RPC RI is a production-quality implementation that is used directly in a number of products by Sun and other vendors. To emphasize the quality of the implementation we call it a Standard Implementation. I've been working with jwsdp for a year and have been constantly frustrated at the lack of developer support from Sun. Or I should say, the lack of free developer support. Sun tech support will answer questions for a fee ($200 USD per question minimum.) Actually, it's gotten worse since the release of jwsdp 1.0. Most of the interesting questions on the Sun web services forum never get answered. > Axis is the appropriate alternative. And I have found the support of this > group quite useful. This group gives a lot of support. It's very encouraging. Mike > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne Thomas Manes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 11:05 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Axis vs Glue > > Sun's product is the JAX-RPC Reference Implementation, which is distributed > as part of the Java Web Services Developer Pack (JWSDP - > http://java.sun.com/webservices/webservicespack.html). IMHO, Axis is much > easier to use than the JAX-RPC RI. I recommend Axis over JWSDP every time. > > Anne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D. Delcomminette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 11:11 AM > Subject: RE: Axis vs Glue > > > Does Sun have a tool similar to GLUE or WASP, how does it compare to them? > > > > Dominique > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Anne Thomas Manes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 02 July, 2003 18:00 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Axis vs Glue > > > > When I refer to GLUE as ".NET for Java", what I mean is that it's as easy > to > > use as .NET. You can use GLUE to develop both clients and servers in Java. > > GLUE generates a set of helper classes that do most of the work for you. > > From a programming perspective on the client side, you simply include the > > helper classes and write two simple lines of code to invoke the remote > > service. From a programming perspective on the server side, you simply > > deploy your service class/package (similar to Axis .jws). One big > advantage > > that GLUE provides is a more comprehensive serialization framework. It can > > handle pretty much any object, and doesn't require custom [de]serializers. > > And GLUE supports easy interoperability with .NET, even when using complex > > types. (In addition to the java2wsdl and wsdl2java tools, GLUE also > provides > > java2schema and schema2java tools.) It provides excellent support for > > document/literal (although I still see a few errors in the generated WSDL. > > For the best support of document/literal, I recommend WASP). > > > > Seamless support for document/literal is a key advantage over Axis at the > > moment (but I'm hoping that we'll fix this issue soon). > > > > I'd really like to stop promoting GLUE on this list, so if anyone else has > > more questions, please email me off-list. > > > > Anne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Parames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 11:01 PM > > Subject: Re: Axis vs Glue > > > > > > > Well, quite true. > > > Anne, > > > You mentioned that Glue as".Net for java" > > > Why any advance features or way gkue works differs > > > from AXIS to enhance better to .netclinet.. > > > > > > IF you dont mind can i get more info on it? > > > Is it means you are suggesting GLue for .Net client > > > with java webservices.?? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Anne Thomas Manes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Absolutely!!!! > > > > If that were the case, Axis would be ahead of the > > > > independents rather than > > > > the other way around. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Davanum Srinivas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 9:10 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Axis vs Glue > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne, > > > > > > > > > > Wish all Axis committers were on this > > > > full-time...Right? > > > > > > > > > > -- dims > > > > > > > > > > --- Anne Thomas Manes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I didn't say that Axis is not as good as GLUE, > > > > and I didn't mean to > > > > imply it. I only said that > > > > > > GLUE is easy to use and that the standard > > > > edition is free. (facts, not > > > > comparisons) > > > > > > > > > > > > Obviously -- based on the amount of time I spend > > > > answering questions on > > > > this list -- I am a big > > > > > > supporter of Axis. Axis is unequivocally the > > > > best open source Web > > > > services platform available, > > > > > > and my goal is to help make this product even > > > > better. For people that > > > > want to use an open source > > > > > > product with Java, Axis is the only way to go. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I will also pay homage where homage is due. > > > > So now I will give you > > > > some comparisons. > > > > > > > > > > > > GLUE is unequivocally the easiest to use Web > > > > services platform for Java > > > > available. I refer to it > > > > > > as ".NET for Java". Ease-of-use has been one of > > > > The Mind Electric's > > > > primary goals, and it shows. > > > > > > GLUE is also one of the fastest implementations > > > > available, and it > > > > supports a number of advanced > > > > > > features, such as excellent support for > > > > document/literal and > > > > WS-Security. > > > > > > > > > > > > On the flip side, The Mind Electric is a tiny > > > > company, and in these > > > > tough economic times it's > > > > > > always a good idea to examine the viability of a > > > > tiny company. You > > > > should also be aware that > > > > > > GLUE delivers it's exceptional ease of use via a > > > > set of proprietary APIs > > > > (It also supports the > > > > > > standard JAX-RPC APIs -- but the proprietary > > > > APIs are much easier to use > > > > than the JAX-RPC APIs). > > > > > > > > > > > > For someone just starting out, trying to learn > > > > the technology, GLUE's a > > > > good choice. Especially > > > > > > since it's free. I've also suggested on more > > > > than one occasion that it's > > > > a good idea for Axis > > > > > > users to play with multiple products to learn > > > > the ins and outs of this > > > > technology. And I > > > > > > strongly suggest that all Axis developers play > > > > with the other products > > > > (esp. GLUE, WASP, > > > > > > CapeClear, and XMLBus) to learn how these other > > > > companies do stuff. > > > > Competition drives > > > > > > innovation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 4:27 AM > > > > > > Subject: RE: Axis vs Glue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne, > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you saying that AXIS (supported by IBM and > > > > Apache) is not as good > > > > as GLUE? > > > > > > > > > > > > Who supports The Mind Electric? (Unless > > > > Microsoft does!!) > > > > > > > > > > > > I would think that AXIS is a safer bet, so > > > > that finally when Web > > > > Services standards fully > > > > > > mature, then one can migrate to a professional > > > > product (if need be). > > > > Given the history of Apache > > > > > > organisation and given that AXIS is likely to be > > > > a benchmark system for > > > > other vendors, I would > > > > > > still bet on AXIS rather than other vendors. > > > > > > > > > > > > May be it's just me :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Anne Thomas Manes > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 11:04 PM > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Subject: Re: Axis vs Glue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GLUE is very easy to use. The standard > > > > edition is free for > > > > commercial use. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Jan Agermose > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 4:38 PM > > > > > > Subject: Axis vs Glue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any pros/cons on the two? > > > > If this is an allowed > > > > question :-) Glue looks a > > > > > > bit simpler to get started with - might just be > > > > better documented :-D > > > > but then the prof. edition > > > > > > is somewhat expensive... > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan Agermose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > Davanum Srinivas - > > > > http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > SBC Yahoo! 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