On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 13:19 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:11:02 +0530 mac_v <drkv...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 06:56 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:58:37 +0530 mac_v <drkv...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >Anyone subscribed to the wiki page would realize that the messaging menu > >> >specs are changed almost every other day[in the past couple of weeks]. > >> >They seem to be testing it and trying to find a proper solution! I think > >> >if we are a *little patient* the plans would become clear,eventually. > >> > > >> > >> If we are just supposed to sit back and wait and accept what we are > given, > >> then there is no need for a public list. Please don't attempt to shout > >> down people who have questions. > >> > >> Scott K > >> > > > >err... i didnt mean to shout anyone down... :( > > > >But rather wanted to say, the product is still in development cycle. > >When a product is in *development cycle* it is reasonable to find > >several changes in the apps almost every day. > > > >We cant keep constantly banding the doors for an answer which might > >change at anytime during testing! > > > >Rather we need to offer solutions about what seems wrong. > > > >Its just we are not used to such changes in specs , since only recently > >has Ubuntu been doing upstream development. > > To be clear, Ayatana is not part of Ubuntu. I think it's new for Canonical > to have a team dedicated to upstream development and user experience > improvements. > > I think questions from other upstream usability experts deserve particular > attention. If there are conceptual or design shortcomings, the sooner they > are exposed, the better. > > >take for example: gnome3 had changes in several aspects and even now we > >dont know what it is going to end up as... > > And if this were the list for that, questions about its evolution would be > entirely appropriate. > > >Well,these were just my impressions from all the work going on, i maybe > >wrong. But none is to shout anyone down :) > > OK. It certainly gave that impression :(. > > >On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 12:40 +0200, Steve Dodier wrote: > >> > >> Excuse, but that seems like a perfect exemple of design flaw Celeste > >> is warning against. Her point of view is entirely valid when she says > >> that you need to make sure the design fits with the goals now that you > >> (even slightly) changed the goal. > >> > >I agree . The questions raised are valid,*to devs* who want to keep up. > > Celeste is, as far as I know, the only independent usability expert > regularly participating here. Given the design centered focus of Ayatana, > I think questions from people like Celeste would rate even higher than ones > for implementers. > > >But in no way at all do the arguments bare any weight on having the > >feature implemented or not. Regarding the design of the product this is > >not a valid argument. I was commenting only on that. ;) > > Just because you disagree, doesn't give you the right to discount other > opinions or the > appropriateness of people expressing this. Despite our chat on IRC, this is > still what it > sounds to me like you are doing. > > The chances of Ayatana products making into Kubuntu are significantly > affected by the reception they get from KDE upstream. I'd appreciate it if > this dialogue were pursued to a reasonable conclusion. > > Scott K
-------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Celeste Lyn Paul <cele...@kde.org> To: mac_v <drkv...@yahoo.com> > > I *really* [cant stress this enough] like the idea of messaging-menu + > launching capability , this is a nice idea and hope they dont backtrack > because of a few questions of this not being the "initial goal" . If it turns into a dashboard, fine. Just update your documentation so the rest of us realize this :) -------- Scott, Kindly dont make everything into KDE vs Gnome,this was evident even in the IRC discussion. ;) Celeste has not taken any personal offense to any of the discussions either! Also, she has accepted the new feature is fine , if it behaves as a dashboard. I think that would be a reasonable conclusion to all. So lets not ponder on this any further. :) -- Cheers, mac_v _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp