I know my great-grandfather, Celestino Rezendes, went to Brazil probably to
work on a sugar plantation as he had a machete and as rumor has it he had an
affair with the owner's wife or daughter so he hightailed it out of there
pretty quick when the owner confronted him with a machete - I couldn't
find where he came to this country from Brazil so I think perhaps he didn't
didn't need a passport to go to Brazil from the Azores - he probably returned
to the Azores to get a passport to come to America
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From: "marra...@cs.com" <marra...@cs.com>
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 7:54:04 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Passports to Brazil
In a message dated 7/8/2009 11:42:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rapos...@gmail.com writes:
Dear John,
>
>
>It took me very hard work at the vaults of Rio's metropolitan
>cathedral to discover where my family is from. I can tell for sure
>now that I am the offspring of José Antonio Raposo, from the matrix of
>São Sebastião, Ponta Delgada, and Maria Theresa do Nascimento,
>christened in Santa Maria de Asia, Braga. They had three children in
>Brazil: Dirothea (1808), José Joaquim (my 3rd grandfather, 1809) and
>Carlota (1813), all born in the parish of Santa Rita, Rio.
>
>Now, what was an Azorean doing in Brazil in 1808, married to an
>Bragantine? They certainly met either in Lisbon or in Rio. My guess
>is that they arrived here that very year with D. Maria I, a Louca,
>probably as servants of the royal house. Forgive me if I continue to
>bother, but is is possible to discover when did José Antonio Raposo,
>the son of Antonio José Raposo, leave the Azores? And if I send you a
>list of my Azorean forebearers for you to check on them, would I not
>be abusing your kindness?
>
>I didn't know the tomb of Maria, a Louca, was in Portugal, for she
>died in Rio. She was somewhat popular here and used to promenade in
>the city with her "damas de companhia". That is the origin of the
>Brazilian dictum "Maria vai com as outras", meaning someone who just
>follows the lead. But sometimes Maria let out loud shrieks in public
>and the "outras" had trouble to control her.
>
>Thank you very much again,
>Marcos.
>
Dear Marcos:
Please feel free to send me a list of your Azorean ancestors (with any
available vital data) and I will be happy to check through my data base. In
order to spare list members the tedium of dealing with a subject relevant only
to the two of us, you should send the material directly to my e-mail address
(marra...@cs.com) and not to the list.
As for Passports to Brazil, this has been a matter of some discussion on the
list in recent days. I do not know if such records exist for your time period
(the Napoleonic invasions). And I have some doubt that a passport was necessary
for a Portuguese subject to travel to another part of the Kingdom, e.g. Brazil.
There are people on the list (e.g. Cheri Mello, the list owner and João
Ventura) who know a great deal about these things, and I am hopeful that Cheri
or João will be able to clarify the matter for you.
As far as D. Maria I, when D. João returned to Portugal he took the remains of
his deceased mother back with him and had her interred in Portugal. Many
Portuguese have considered it a pitty that he didn't leave D. Joaquina Carlota
in Rio!
Best regards and good luck. I look forward to checking your Azorean ancestors
against my data base.
John Miranda Raposo
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