Thank you, Margaret, I guess I just assumed that since her marriage record gave her parents that they were as stated.....I suppose she could have a pai incognito although if her parents married in 1753 and she wasn't born until 1774/75 she should be legitimate. I'm going to spend time searching baptisms in Velas and look at some obits and see what I can find. I appreciate your insights. Luck I'll need!!!! Nancy Jean
> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:41:53 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! > From: margaretvice...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > correction, Mariana's birth time 1774/1775.. > Margaret > > On 5/11/12, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Nancy Jean, > > > > It says he parents are parishoners of this church and naturals of this > > matrix of Velas island of S. Jorge. > > > > Also since her parents marriage record you found is in Velas, I would > > search birth records as of the marriage date. I did find a Mariana > > born within your Mariana Clara's 26 age (1975/1976) Mother Isabel > > Miranda and of incognito father. Which should not be discarded as a > > possibility. This would prompt me to trace Isabel's birth record to > > see if Miranda is her family name. > > > > My gggm born in Sao Jorge, Calheta of Incognito father married in Sao > > Miguel, with the marriage record stating she was the daughter of > > Antonio Jose de Miranda of Graciosa, NS da Luz. Thus the possibility > > the father was incognito at time of birth and then perhaps reconciled, > > married and assumed the child. > > > > Good Luck. > > > > Margaret > > > > On 5/10/12, nancy jean baptiste <fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Margaret, > >> I'd appreciate any information that you can glean from the record....it's > >> very difficult to read. Velas marriages, 1788-1806, page # 72. Record # > >> 1355. June 4, 1800, Antonio > >> Jose > >> de Sousa Pereira, 23 yrs with Marianna Clara do Espirito Santo, 26yrs. I > >> believe his parents are Manoel Pereira de Sousa and Isabel de Jesus and > >> her > >> parents are given as Joao de Sousa Cardosa and Isabel do Rosario. > >> I thought Marianna would be easy to find but I just can't find her > >> anywhere > >> in Velas baptism's for the 1770's or in Santo Amaro. Tomorrow I'll look > >> at > >> the 1760's for Velas now that I know her parents married in 1753......I > >> can't imagine she would be that far off on her age on her marriage > >> certificate though but you never know and I have no other idea to > >> investigate although having found her parents marriage record makes > >> finding > >> her baptism a bit less imperative. I'll also start looking for her > >> father's > >> obit since her marriage says he was dead by 1800 and for her siblings. > >> This is my Mom's line and I've had much more difficulty with it than with > >> my > >> Dad's. With him I had help because our Baptista line was in both Joao > >> Simoes > >> Lopes Filho's and Marcio Borba's data bases and the records are in Topo > >> for > >> the most part and his mothers de Castro Cardoso line is all in NEPS for > >> Pico. > >> The most comforting thing about this research is that I know I'll never > >> run > >> out of the need to search for someone....nice to know that as long as I > >> can > >> I'll have a passion to pursue! > >> My best to you,Nancy Jean > >> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:24:53 -0400 > >> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! > >> From: margaretvice...@gmail.com > >> To: azores@googlegroups.com > >> > >> Nancy Jean, > >> What is the record number for Mariana's marriage record? It should say > >> which freguesia/town she's from...I could take a look it if you would > >> like. > >> Margaret > >> > >> > >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM, nancy jean baptiste > >> <fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thank you Rosemarie and Margaret for confirming the Teixeira name. I > >> spent > >> time searching for Marianna's birth with no luck....elusive ancestors! > >> I'm > >> happy though because this record gives me on generation beyond what I > >> had! > >> > >> Again, thanks,Nancy Jean > >> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:13:48 -0400 > >> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! > >> From: margaretvice...@gmail.com > >> > >> To: azores@googlegroups.com > >> > >> Hi, > >> If I may, I would like the point out the surname is TEIXEIRA. Simply > >> because there are lower and upper letters interjecting with the T > >> rendering > >> it like the letter P, illusive. > >> > >> > >> best, > >> Margaret > >> > >> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:12 AM, <rcap...@redshift.com> wrote: > >> > >> Nancy Jane, > >> > >> > >> > >> My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira. > >> > >> > >> > >> Rosemarie > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> Hi Gayle, > >> > >>> Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this > >> > >>> record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of > >>> the > >> > >>> date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my > >> > >>> 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record > >> > >>> in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day > >> > >>> looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770"s and never could find > >> > >>> her....so I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look > >> > >>> for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other > >>> clues. > >> > >>> I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at > >> > >>> least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very > >> > >>> surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's > >> > >>> marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa > >> > >>> Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their > >> > >>> mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That > >> > >>> puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but > >> > >>> I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your > >> > >>> information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's > >> > >>> birth instead of Velas....maybe they moved there and that's why I > >>> couldn't > >> > >>> find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your help....now I > >> > >>> know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave > >>> the > >> > >>> ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth > >> > >>> records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or > >> > >>> Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give > >> > >>> insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never > >> > >>> seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo > >> > >>> Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck! > >> > >>> On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at > >>> the > >> > >>> conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there, > >> > >>> also with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well. > >> > >>> Thanks again,Nancy Jean > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> From: gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu > >> > >>>> To: azores@googlegroups.com > >> > >>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! > >> > >>>> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:15:33 +0000 > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Nancy, > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me > >> > >>>> down: > >> > >>>> 9 Jan 1753 for the date. > >> > >>>> Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of > >> > >>>> Sto. Amaro > >> > >>>> and > >> > >>>> Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do > >> > >>>> Rosario of this matrix. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado > >> > >>>> (Rocha) Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Gayle > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> From: nancy jean baptiste > >> > >>>> <fishsongf...@hotmail.com<mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>> > >> > >>>> Reply-To: <azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> > >> > >>>> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500 > >> > >>>> To: azores group > >> > >>>> <azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> > >> > >>>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Greetings Group, > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.....I'm > >> > >>>> having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be > >> > >>>> greatly appreciated. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and > >> > >>>> Isabel do Rosario > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Thank you in advance, > >> > >>>> Nancy Jean > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> -- > >> > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > >>>> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > >> > >> > >>>> Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. > >> > >>>> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No > >>>> Mail > >> > >>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > >> > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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