That's very interesting but now throws off my family line. Thanks for the information
----- Original Message ----- Altino is correct. Most genealogits agree that Diogo is Martim's son by an unmarried woman, Catarina Afonso. Diogo was later "legitimized" by royal decree (published in the Arquivo dos Açores ) which is how we know Catarina's name. A careful reading of Frutuoso reveals that Martim came with his wife, Teresa Velho, and children to S. Miguel. They didn't like it and returned leaving Diogo behind. The assumption that all his children were were also Theresa's is merely an assumption. It is possible that Frutuoso thought (assumed) that they were, or his syntax was simply imprecise. The descendants of Diogo are not the descendants of Velho Cabral's sister. John Miranda Raposo From: Altino Demelo <demelo.alt...@yahoo.com> To: "azores@googlegroups.com" <azores@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral Family I think i may have found the reference to Catarina Afonso. It is found in Rodrigo Rodrigues' Histories of São Miguel. This is Rodrigues' Words in Portuguese: Diogo de Oliveira de Vasconcelos, no dizer de Frutuoso era filho de Martim de Oliveira de Vasconcelos e de Teresa Velho, irmã de Frei Gonçalo Velho e que com seus pais viera de Portugal para esta Ilha de S. Miguel, de Beja, já casado (Vide Frutuoso, Livro IV Cap.º XXX). Contudo pode muito bem ser que este Diogo de Oliveira de Vasconcelos, seja o Diogo de Vasconcelos, escudeiro, legitimado por El-rei D. Manuel, cuja carta está publicada no Arquivo dos Açores, Vol.º V, pág.105, com data de 3.7.1504, em que se diz ser ele filho natural de Martim de Oliveira, capitão de Arzila, onde foi armado cavaleiro e confirmado por carta do Rei D. Manuel (Torre do Tombo, Chancelaria de D. Manuel, Livro IX, fls. 50 v.º), onde se diz ser Martim de Oliveira filho de Rui de Oliveira, criado da casa do Infante D. Fernando. A mãe do dito Diogo de Vasconcelos é Catarina Afonso, mulher solteira. Esta filiação é que deve ser a exacta pois da parte de Frutuoso houve certamente confusão, dando Diogo de Oliveira de Vasconcelos como filho de uma irmã de Frei Gonçalo Velho, aliás homónima da que foi mãe do capitão donatário João Soares de Albergaria. Diogo de Oliveira de Vasconcelos, segundo Frutuoso veio de Beja casou com Maria Esteves, filha de Afonso Velho, da geração dos Velhos. And this is the translation from Google translate and my limited portuguese: Diogo Oliveira de Vasconcelos, in the words of Frutuoso was the son of Martim de Oliveira de Vasconcelos and Teresa Velho, sister of Frei Gonçalo Velho, and that their parents came from Beja, Portugal to this island of S. Miguel already married (see Frutuoso, Book IV Chapter XXX). However it may well be that this de Oliveira Diogo Vasconcelos, Diogo de Vasconcelos is, squire, legitimized by King Manuel, whose letter is published in the Archives of the Azores, Vol º V, pág.105, dated 07.03.1504, in which he is said to be the natural son of Martim de Oliveira, captain of Asilah, where he was knighted and confirmed by letter of King Manuel (Torre do Tombo, Chancellery of D. Manuel, Book IX, fls. V. 50. º), which is said to be the son of Martim de Oliveira, son of Rui de Oliveira, servant of the house of Prince Fernando. The mother of said Diogo Afonso de Vasconcelos is Catherine, unmarried woman. This affiliation according to Frutuoso was certainly confused, giving Diogo Oliveira de Vasconcelos as the son of a sister of Frei Gonçalo Velho, which was incidentally is the same name of the donee mother João Soares de Albergaria. Diogo Oliveira de Vasconcelos, according to Frutuoso came from Beja had married Maria Esteves, daughter of Alfonso Velho from the line of Velhos. From: "ggervais1...@centurylink.net" <ggervais1...@centurylink.net> To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 4:26:36 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral Family I have picked up where I left off in my Cabral Family and I am a bit confused. Does anyone know anything about Martim de Oliveira Vasconcelos born abt 1445 in Beja de Alentejo, Portugal. I have that he married Catarina Afonso and Teresa Velho. Is Teresa Velho, Teresa Velho Cabral? Was Martim married twice. Is Teresa Velho Cabral the sister of Goncalo Velho Cabral? Am I on the right track. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Geneva Cook-Gervais -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. 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