I am practically sure they must have paid fees.
And I think the fee was based on percentage of income. Maybe not exactly a percentage, but a wealthy family surely paid more than a poor one.
You'll notice the margin comments that say they were too poor to pay for the stamp.
And similarly, I am practically certain when my ancestor brought his 3 girls to Angra and said their mother was unknown, he must have paid a small fortune for the priest and bishop to allow this and look the other way.
I'm glad to hear you have personal knowledge of the fee your ancestor paid. I hope more will enlighten us about this happening to their ancestors. Maybe it was mentioned in some history book.
Good old corruption in all its many facets...
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree
From: David Perry <djperr...@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Thu, May 30, 2013 6:42 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com
I assume these folks had to pay an indulgence (is that the correct word?) to the local priest. Does anyone know if the amount paid was more for a grandfather/granddaughter marriage than for a 1st cousin/1st cousin marriage? Did the amount paid depend on the whim of the local priest or were the amounts set by Rome or some higher official? The reason I ask is that it seems to be whatever the local priest wants since my great grandfather had to pay to marry his first wife's cousin - not his cousin mind you but the cousin of his first wife. He fought with the priest for weeks about it but finally gave in and paid it. The family joke for all these years is that the priest needed a new set of golf clubs. Great grandpa never set foot in a church again.David
On Sunday, May 26, 2013 10:36:09 PM UTC-7, Doug Holmes wrote:I have 35 couples out of about 91,000 total couples in my genealogy program who are related in the 1st and 2nd degree of consanguinity (by blood) and so the parents for one are the grandparents for the other. Most of the time the man is the elder, but a few times the women was the elder of the two.The majority of the time these couples had children - maybe 90% of the time.I am certain there are many more than the 35 above couples, but that's only what I have transferred from my database to my genealogy program so far.So this is a small fraction of the couples who married, but still not so uncommon. And this doesn't include any 2nd degree cousins, which are far more common.The most interesting finding to me is that so many of them had kids.In many cases, their ages were within the normal 2-5 years apart, but some were 20 or more years apart.As usual, most of them are from Pico and Terceira, since that's where I primarily work.Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
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