RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA match for Terceira

[pico]

Hi Doreen,

I just became a lot more interested.

I was going only from memory on Sandra's Berbereia line. But when I went to check the Raminho and Altares Berbereia families, I realized they don't connect with Sandra's line that comes from Biscoitos, next door to Altares. I never really noticed there are two lines.

So getting one person from each line to get the Y-DNA test should show a perfect match and the connection would be in the early 1500s, way beyond the records.

It seems it is normal for all sons of a Berbereia kept using the Berbereia surname. We all know that isn't the case for other surnames, in general. My Rocha name zig-zags from maternal to paternal and back to maternal several times. But that's not the case for Berbereia. So Doreen's line and Sandra's line might each have to test out to the 67 marker level, not sure about that. They would likely show a perfect 37 marker match. I'm still learning how that works. But the pool of male Berbereia candidates is probably pretty large when they follow this type of naming tradition in that family.

And if they don't match, it probably means Berbereia came from a maternal line very early on.

I wonder if anyone interested in this was lucky enough to purchase and receive a copy of the Terceira genealogies by Mendes and Forjaz, because I would like to know if they have a chapter on Berbereia (it would be very surprising if they didn't) and what do they say about the first couple generations.

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618

www.dholmes.com

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA match for Terceira
From: rondo ranch <ro...@lightspeed.net>
Date: Wed, June 19, 2013 6:48 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com

I'm not sure if you are interested in my Berbereia lineage but I have several living males from the Berbereia lineage of Altares and Raminho, Terceira.  One has already tested.... Contact me outside the group at ro...@lightspeed.net   Doreen

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From: p...@dholmes.com
Sent: Jun 19, 2013 12:11 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: Sandra Dauer
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA match for Terceira

Hi Sandra,

I haven't checked for a while and was pleased to log in and find three new matches from the past week for my father's Family Finder test. I didn't yet see if I also match them.

One match is your BERBEREA. I haven't looked at your Terceira ancestry for many years, so it was nice to see we found a connection.

I found three connections, and probably more, but the closest is Sebastião Fernandes Borges, who was born about 400 years ago. My father and your Berberea tested are 7th cousins, twice removed. It takes my father two more generations to reach that ancestor, who happens to be the ancestor of probably all with Altares ancestry, but I didn't investigate that assumption yet.

We might have a slightly closer, or maybe the same degree connection with one of the many lines from Ribeirinha, Terceira, but as you know, the records of the 1600s there are either lost or have many gaps and it will take more research to find any confirmation.

Another line is Toledo, but it's even more remote - an 8th or 9th cousin.

If there is any closer connection, it could come from one of the many Biscoitos lines I haven't pushed back any further yet. I have them into the middle 1700s. Maybe one came from elsewhere and we could link up that way - or not. I will have to see if you show more on your gedcom and get back to you.

Since 6th cousin is the closest FTDNA shows, I am going to propose that. I didn't yet look at your gedcom to see if you even are aware of these ancestors - you probably are, since David Bertao did a terrific job doing your genealogy years ago.

While on the subject of BERBEREIA, I wonder if there is a living male descendant who could get the Y-DNA test, since that is a very interesting Berber family and I would love to see what shows up as to the haplogroup.

I have two more matches to investigate now...

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618

www.dholmes.com

 

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