RE: _[AZORES-Genealogy]_João_de_Aguiar_of_Quatro_Rib eiras,_Terceira

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Hi Shirley,

Thanks for that. I am so far behind in checking into all the angles of these Aguiar families.

I just wanted to let you know I appreciate the info. How did you come across it? Is it in the Terceira volume John Raposo mentioned? I wish I didn't have to ask that. It's an old complaint of mine that must be tiring to hear about over and over...

But maybe the earliest Praia Matriz records revealed that to you. I have not done much in those records yet. Still working my way back.

I have one set of ancestors that is a real tough nut to crack from Praia Matriz. I think there are some on this list with these same ancestors, though I never mentioned them to anyone before. Their names are Maria de Borba and Francisco Correia. They had lots of kids in Praia Matriz in the middle 1600s. But they didn't marry there and I have not yet located their marriage. I has a suspicion they married in some place like Quatro Ribeiras where the records no longer exist or are in such bad shape we can't really do much to reconstruct the oldest families of the village. But I keep hoping... and I think I know the Borba line from the padrinhos, but have not yet proven it.

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618

www.dholmes.com

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Subject: Re:_[AZORES-Genealogy]_João_de_Aguiar_of_Quatro_Rib
eiras,_Terceira
From: "Shirley Allegre" <shir...@digitalpath.net>
Date: Thu, August 01, 2013 9:32 am
To: <azores@googlegroups.com>, "John Raposo" <marra...@yahoo.com>

Doug:  I have another child for Joao Aguiar as follows:

 

Maria de Aguiar

married to:  Rodrigo Alvares, from Sao Sebastiao. Terceira, Azores

CHILD

Joao Rodrigues de Aguiar

married to Barbara Gonsalves de Paiva

daughter of Gonsalo Anes X Maria de Paiva.

I don't have any marriage info on either couple.

 

Shirley in CA

 

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From: p...@dholmes.com

To: azores@googlegroups.com ; John Raposo

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 12:11 AM

Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] João de Aguiar of Quatro Ribeiras, Terceira

Hi John,

Does the Ornelas Mendes volume for Terceira mention another child or two of João de Aguiar?

I think he might have had many, based on surname usage of some families at that time in the records.

I remember reading about Padre Maldonado's ancestry being unknown and that it was suspected his family had come from somewhere other than Praia or Angra. So I found it interesting that he himself mentioned some family links. But that might be something from a book by Ferreira Drummond which is now approaching 200 years old and maybe someone discovered his family in recent times.

I'll have to look for Maldonado's comments in Fénix Angrense.. Thank's for referencing that!

I wonder if there is any mention of the Aguiar origins and if maybe he came over from Sao Miguel or Madeira, or straight from the continent.

I'm also sending this message to the list, since there are several people interested. But it might never appear there, since it seems all my messages end up in the que as spam, according to Cheri.

Obrigado,

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618

www.dholmes.com

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP, HELP, HELP !
From: John Raposo <marra...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, July 25, 2013 6:38 am
To: "azores@googlegroups.com" <azores@googlegroups.com>

Shirley, Doug, et al.,

 

Here is what I have in my data base. The research comes from Genealogias da Ilha Terceira. I hope this helps.

 

John Miranda Raposo

 

 

Ahnentafel Chart for Pedro Ferreira de Aguiar

First Generation

      1. Pedro Ferreira de Aguiar was born in Vila Nova, Terceira, Açores. He died on 16 Apr 1686 in Vila Nova, Terceira, Açores. He was buried in Vila Nova, Terceira, Açores.

Pedro married Iria de Avila  daughter of Mateus Nunes Avila and Agada, Machado Vieira on 28 May 1657 in Vila Nova, Terceira, Açores. Iria was born in Vila Nova, Terceira, Açores.

Second Generation

      2. Antonio Ferreira de Aguiar was born in Vila Nova. He died before May 1657 in Vila Nova. He married Beatriz Alvares on 3 Feb 1613 in Praia.[1]

      3. Beatriz Alvares died before 28 May 1657.

Third Generation

      4. Antão Ferreira de Aguiar married Beatriz Gonçalves.[2]

      5. Beatriz Gonçalves .[3]

      6. André Álvares was born in living in Valfarto. He married Maria Pestana.

      7. Maria Pestana was born in living in Valfarto.

Fourth Generation

      8. João Ferreira de Aguiar was born in living in Quatro Ribeiras. He married Catarina Fernandes.

      9. Catarina Fernandes  was born in Agualva.

Fifth Generation

      16.      João de Aguiar was born in living in Quatro Ribeiras. He died died after 12 Mar 1548.[1]

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[1] The first of this name in Terceira, he was given lands in Quatro Ribeiras from Cruzeiro to Ribeira da Ingreja. Boletim do Insituto Histórico da Ilha Terceira, 1943, vol 1, p.25, cited in Genealogias da Ilha Terceira, (António Ornelas mendes and Jorge Forjaz, Dislivro Histórico, Lisbon: 2007) Vol. 1, p. 79, Aguiar §1.

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[1] Slave owner.

[2] "whom I knew whon hw was very old..." says Father Moldonado in Fenix Angrense.

[3] "my grandmother's cousin" says Father Maldonado in Fénix Angrense.

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