Edward et al,
I wrote to Manoel Cesar and he responded as follows:
"Maria Luiza who married to Luiz Pereira Lopes on 2 sep 1861, in Rosario -
Lagoa, is the same Maria Candido do Rego or Maria de Jesus, as stated on the
baptism records. It is common at this time, sometimes a Maria de Jesus goes by
Maria da Conceição in one record, or Maria dos Anjos in another one, etc. It is
complicated, but the first name Maria never changes. All we have to do is to
look for all the baptisms for the siblings and see if the names of the parents
and grandparents are the same.
In this case your Maria goes by the names: Maria Candida do Rego, Maria Luiza
and Maria de Jesus. So, there is just one Luiz Pereira Lopes." I would
appreciate any citations you have for Maria (all of her last names) and Luiz
Pereira Lopes or their descendants. Manoel has generously located the records
for Luiz' ancestors but I only have detailed information about the descendants
of my grandfather, Jose born on February 5, 1877. It sounds like I might be
related to Hermano C. Pires and others. Thank you in advance for any
information you can provide, Melinda Lopes
From: edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 00:43:12 -0500
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Will keep you informed as we progress
On Oct 19, 2013, at 12:39 AM, Hermano C. Pires wrote:You guys are moving too
fast for me :))
Was busy trying to tie loose ends.
Will get back to this.
Hermano
From: melinda_lo...@hotmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 23:11:18 -0500
Edward et al,
I will be happy to hear the outcome of this thread as the Jose Pereira Lopes
born in February, 1877, son of Luiz Pereira Lopes and Maria Candida do Rego,
was my grandfather. Edward and I have conversed about this line and recently I
have received a massive amount of assistance from Manoel Ceasar in tracing this
line. Manoel's research showed that Maria Candida Do Rego was the daughter of
Candido Jacinto do Rego and Maria Botelho. aka Maria Candido Coracao de Jesus.
I will ask Manoel what he knows about the potential for two Luiz Pereira Lopes.
According to family history, my grandfather only spoke of siblings Luiz, Joao
and a sister that committed suicide when she couldn't marry the man she loved.
My grandfather was farmed out after his mother's death. Thus, Maria Candida Do
Rego died after 1877 and it is quite probable that she died after 1883.
I would love to hear from anyone who has a connection to this family so that I
can add to our family tree. For those of you who are family connections and
possible family finder matches, my father, John Lopes has a gedcom in his
family finder results. We also have a private tree on ancestry.com which I can
send you an invitation to join.
Excited to hear from new relatives,
Melinda Lopes
From: edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:34:29 -0500
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Hermano I am confused because when I was looking at that record I did notice
that they where writing about the marriage of Luiz Pereira Lopes but not
knowing Portuguese I wasn't sure because it was under baptism records. I
looked at the record again and can see Maria Luiza. Now my question does she go
by both name Maria Luiza and Maria Candida do Rego? Also on their daughter
Maria Trindade obit in 1883 it has Luiz Pereira Lopes wife as Maria de Jesus .
I just found another record for a Maria born to Luiz Pereira Lopes and Maria
Candida de Rego 4 June 1862. Could this be the Maria Trindade who died in 1883?
I think I am some how related from Francisco da Costa line that is why I am
researching this line. All the other information matches with what I have
down.Thanks for the help.Edward
On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Hermano C. Pires wrote:Hello Edward.
What I have on this family is in essence the same as what Maria Moore has
referred to.
Now as to the link you attached, although it say baptismos it realy is the
marriage register of Luis Pereira Lopes and Maria Luisa on 2 September 1861.
This Luis Pereira Lopes (27 years fo age) is the son of Joao Pereira Lopes
Gaspar and Joana de Jesus and the paternal grandson of Gaspar Lopes and
Quiteria de Jesus and maternal of Francisco da Costa Pires and Sebastiana de
Jesus.
Maria Luisa (27 years of age) is the daughter of Candido do Rego and Maria dos
Anjos and the paternal granddaughter of Jose do Rego and Maria Joaquina and
maternal of Jose Botelho Nunes and Ana Francisca.
As far as I can make out at the moment Maria Luisa is my 3rd cousin 3 times
removed.
Hope that helps.
Hermano
From: edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 19:24:44 -0500
To: azores@googlegroups.com
MariaI have documents of baptism for five children of Luiz Pereira Lopes
1834-1927 to Maria Candida Do Rego
Maria Trindade 1861-1883Elvira 1867Luiz
1870-1943Joao 1873Jose 1877-1969
The record for Maria Trindade show Maria Candida do Rego as the mother. I am
believing Maria de Jesus is the woman he married when Maria Candida do Rego
died. I am looking for the records to support this.I still haven't checked the
baptism record from 1862-1866 for any other children.Maria do you read
portuguese? I can send you the records I have.Edward
On Oct 18, 2013, at 1:49 PM, danandma...@comcast.net wrote:Maria da Trindade
died at 22 therefore was born around 1861 parents Luis Pereira Lopes and Maria
de Jesus
the second Luis Pereira Lopes married to Maria Luiza /do Rego/ or Maria
Candida do Rego they were married on 16 Sep 1861 ( as per Diana Silva on this
group). I have them with 6 children born 1863 to 1877
My conclusion is that they are not the same Luis. possibly the first is an
uncle of the second
Maria Moore
From: "Edward Rodrigues" <edward.s.rodrig...@att.net>
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 12:38:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
CheriThe reason I asked is I have records for Luiz Pereira Lopes being married
and having four children with Maria Candida do Rego I have the documents
confirming these. One girl and three boys, the girls name was Elvira (born
1867) and supposed to be the oldest and committed suicide. I am looking for her
dead record when I came across this record.I know Luiz Pereira Lopes remarried
after the death of Maria Candida do Rego. Was wondering if maybe Maria de Jesus
was this wife or if maybe Luiz was married before Maria Candida do Rego.Edward.
On Oct 18, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Cheri Mello wrote:Edward R,
The term is legitimate. Not legal. And if you are legitimate from one parent,
you are legitimate from the other. The term in Portuguese means your parents
were married at the time of your birth.
She's the legitimate daughter of Luiz Pereira Lopes & Maria de Jesus.
Her parents were married at the time of her birth.
Cheri Mello
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