"I'm the great-granddaughter of the immigrant, so I don't qualify."
Cheri -- Actually, you do (at least to apply), but under a different provision of the Lei da Nacionalidade ("LN"; the Nationality Law). I'm in exactly the same situation but am preparing my petition for naturalization under this other provision. In a nutshell, the LN works (in relevant part) as follows: 1. Some people are inherently entitled to Portuguese citizenship. Among people born outside Portugal, that includes, for example, children born to a Portuguese parent. The process for such individuals to acquire citizenship is one of claiming that which they are automatically entitled to under the LN. 2. Those who are not automatically entitled to receive citizenship can still acquire it -- through naturalization. There are several grounds on which one can seek naturalization. One of these is indeed to be a grandchild of a citizen (who must not have given up Portuguese citizenship). Under that route, the residency requirement that exists for some of the other routes to naturalization does not apply, but there is still the requirement to have basic competence in Portuguese. However, there are also several separate routes to naturalization available for "special cases," and these special cases are: people who formerly held Portuguese nationality; luso-descendants (without being limited to the 2nd degree or to the other requirements about being still alive and not having given up citizenship) or members of "communities of Portuguese ancestry"; and those who have provided "relevant" services to the Portuguese state or to the "national community." At least as I understand it, the provision about "communities of Portuguese ancestry" does not cover luso-descendants who can actually trace their known ancestry back to Portugal but rather is meant to provide an easier route to naturalization for descendants of communities such as in Goa, Macau, Malacca, etc., where the ties may not be traceable all the way back to Portugal but which are ongoing communities known historically to have collective genetic and cultural ties back to Portugal. As I recall, this is also the provision under which Portugal now, subsequent to recent legislation, processes naturalization petitions from Sephardim who claim Portuguese descent. The provision regarding "descendentes de portugueses," descendants of Portuguese, is therefore the one that many of us have available to use. By classifying us among "special cases" the LN seems to be reserving to the government even greater discretion as to approving naturalization applications than it has with respect to the other grounds for naturalization (such as grandchildren who meet the additional requirements I mention above). In past conversations with Portuguese immigration lawyers, it was suggested to me that such applications would be enhanced (since they are "special cases") if one could demonstrate involvement in luso-descendant communities (cultural groups, church groups, chambers of commerce, etc.). Interestingly, though, this "special case" route does *not* include any language proficiency requirement. (Nor is there a residency requirement.) Unfortunately, the Portuguese Embassy site's coverage of consular services does not address this "special cases" route. If one reads Portuguese, these links are very useful: Overview of acquisition of Portuguese nationality: http://www.nacionalidade.sef.pt/aquisicao.htm# Questions and answers about acquisition of Portuguese nationality: *http://www.nacionalidade.sef.pt/duvidas.html#a6*<http://www.nacionalidade.sef.pt/duvidas.html#a6> >From the above links, these are the most relevant excerpts for those of us who are "special cases," i.e., you cannot meet the requirements as a grandchild, whether because your last Portuguese citizen ancestor was further back (e.g., for me it's three great-grandparents and two great-great-grandparents), or your grandparent gave up Portuguese nationality, or you don't speak at least basic Portuguese: Em casos especiais: (n.º 6 do art. 6.º da LN) O Governo pode conceder a nacionalidade portuguesa, por naturalização, em casos especiais, aos estrangeiros que já foram detentores da nacionalidadeportuguesa, aos havidos como descendentes de portugueses, aos membros de comunidades de ascendência portuguesa e aos estrangeiros que tenham prestado ou sejam chamados a prestar serviços relevantes ao Estado Português ou à comunidade nacional, quando satisfaçam os seguintes requisitos: Ser maior de idade (18 anos) ou ser emancipado à face da lei portuguesa; Não ter sido condenado, com trânsito em julgado da sentença, pela prática de crime punível com pena de prisão de máximo igual ou superior a 3 anos, segunda a lei portuguesa. * * * *H**avidos como descendentes de portugueses ou membros de comunidades de ascendência portugues*a - Certidão do registo de nascimento do interessado; - Certidões dos registos de nascimento dos ascendentes portugueses; - Certificados do registo criminal emitido pelos serviços competentes portugueses, do país da naturalidade e da nacionalidade, bem com dos países onde tenha tido e tenha residência. O interessado poderá estar dispensado de apresentar o registo criminal português. [end of excerpts] For those of us whose most recent Portuguese citizen ancestor was born before the introduction of civil registration, I am assuming that copies of parish registers' baptismal records will suffice to meet the requirement for "certidões dos registos de nascimento dos ascendentes portugueses," but I'm not positive, and I was prepared to go ahead and file my petition without knowing for certain but thought I should clarify it first -- and that's where I got hung up and have delayed while focusing on other matters for awhile. I hope soon to resume my inquiries for clarification on this point, and can share what I find out -- or perhaps someone here already knows the answer? I'm hoping that if a copy of the CCA PDFs won't suffice, there is a way to obtain and then submit a certified copy of the same issued by the relevant Arquivo Distrital or other governmental agency. In a nutshell, for those of us who cannot meet the grandchild requirements, the "special case" route offers an alternative (and without the language requirement, if that matters to you). Nonetheless, given the "special case" characterization, it's not clear how easy it is to get approval or if additional factors not listed in the law come into play (such as luso-descendant community involvement). As I learn more through proceeding with my own petition, I will share that knowledge here for anyone who may be interested in pursuing their own petition. Lastly, I would just caution anyone considering dual citizenship to speak first with a US (or Canadian, etc., as the case may be) immigration lawyer just to confirm that you go about it in a way that ensures you don't wind up renouncing your original citizenship (unless you want to, of course). It would also be important to speak with a Portuguese lawyer (or more, if needed) and a lawyer of your home country (or more, if needed), each of whom is competent to advise you on matters of taxation, family law, and other areas of law that may be affected by your taking dual nationality. Keep in mind that you will become subject to two countries' laws, taxation systems, etc., both at the same time, which may have unforeseen results for you. David da Silva Cornell On Thursday, December 5, 2013 6:54:09 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: > I understood the same thing John Raposo did. I'm the great-granddaughter > of the immigrant, so I don't qualify. My dad would have to become a > Portuguese citizen. He's not interested. They don't have a bridge to > drive his motor home/recreational vehicle there, so he's not going anywhere > except the U.S. and Canada. 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