Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't find my Joam.....
On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:38 AM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: > Hello Joseph, > > I couldn't resist your challenge. > > What is clear is the "ao" ending. That leaves one with a lot fewer choices > for names. > Expanding on that, it is pretty clear there is an "l" before the "al" and > that now gives you "lao" and once you see that, you can see the "u" before > the "l" and before the "u" you see a large "C" and there is nothing left to > choose but Niculao and I am going with that. > > Moving over to the parents, the father is Mathias, not Matheus. So it's > Matias da Costa and Josefa. But her second name is maybe "Parobo" and I don't > recognize that as a real name. So for another reason, you must find another > example from another child and hope it's more clear. > > As for Isabella's comment about "legitimo" I looked over the following > baptisms from this priest and he isn't using that word on any of them. But > what is lacking in your record is the phrase "e de sua mulher" (and of his > wife) which is not in all the records, but in many of them. The ones where > that phrase is lacking might mean those couples are not married, but there > are so many that I doubt it. You would have to study all these couples and > find or not find their marriages to see whether this priest is simply not > consistent. > > You will see on page 0026 the baptism of a child named Agostinho and the > father is another "Niculao." > > Good luck! > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record > -- can't really read it) Help! > From: Isabella Baltar <myportuguese...@gmail.com> > Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 5:12 am > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > I don't read neither Joam, nor legitimate. This is a very decorative > penmanship and needs further study on this specific handwriting. I quiclkly > went back and forth on some pages to check on the scriber writing and the way > he writes Joam is very different from that one, the word legitimate as well > is not present after his name. > > Joseph, I suggest you to research that book and try to find a similar pattern > for that name, if you think this record is from your family. > > Isabella Baltar > myportuguesegen.blogspot.com > > On Friday, March 21, 2014 6:55:25 AM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: > Thanks. I showed this to Joao Ventura and he doesn't think that it's a birth > record for "Joam", but rather "Nicolao (or Nicolau). > > On Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:14:56 PM UTC-4, Dano wrote: > Joseph, This is indeed difficult to read, but not impossible. Joam's name is > mentioned at the beginning " legitimate (abbrv) son of "Mathias" da Costa > native of this freguesia of Sam Miguel of Villa Franca do Campo nasceo (was > born) on the 4th day of the month of September 1751, and, was baptized in > this same church of Sam Miguel, matriz of the aforementioned Villa, parish of > his parents on the sixth day of the current month and year by me, Maoel de > Medeiros , Curate of this matriz. Godfather was Mathias de Andrade, single, > parishioner of this Matriz, and witnesses Pedro Corea, and Miguel Pereyra, > and for the record I dated this day, month and as above. > > On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: > I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth > record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da > Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone > read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right > corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these > are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about > grandparents' names? Anyone see those? > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html > -- > > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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