Thank you, Tomas! That was very interesting and informative! Edna [email protected] suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying: "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, goodwill toward men!" Luke 2:13-14
On Aug 5, 2014, at 3:31 AM, MaryAnn Santos <[email protected]> wrote: > Fascinating, Tomás > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:15 AM, Tomas Leal <[email protected]> wrote: > I too was surprised that my Y-DNA results were simply "Celtic," which I've > always associated with Ireland and the British Isles--my mother's side. What > was more surprising is the long line of males on my paternal side--the Y > chromosome sources--coming up Celtic, so I was a bit confused. > > I dug into some history and found there were TWO Celtic migrations, both from > central Europe westward. The second one swept up through modern-day France > and across the channel to Ireland and the British Isles, and the timing of > this one covers the period of the Norman Invasion. What was news to me was > the much earlier one that turned southward and went into the Iberian > Peninsula and settled in the area of Galicia. Then I learned that the > Portuguese language is derived from Galician, as is modern Spanish. Thus, > "Celtic" made more sense for my Y-DNA line, making Portuguese a Celtic > language. Even today, Galician folk songs and dances (viewable on YouTube) > resemble what I've seen in both Ireland and in the Azores. > > Further, I found that the Celtic genes do appear in some people from > Flanders, though not a majority. My paternal line is from Flamengos, Faial, > which as many on this list know was settled by Flemish colonists, so it's > possible the Celtic strain from Flanders into Galicia made it to Faial as > well. Wilhelm van der Haagen was a leader of this colonization (at the > invitation of the Portuguese king), and he adopted a Portuguese translation > of his name: Guilermo Silveira. The Germanic "haag" is the equivalent of the > Portguese "silveira," a name that appears in the middle of every male on my > paternal side from my grandfather to the grandfather of my great-grandfather > (as far back as I know names, so far). Further, three of van der Haagen's > children (two daughters and one son) are known to have settled and died in > Flamengos. Most of us know the Portuguese tradition of using the mother's > family name as a "middle name" for many offspring, but Azoreans also seem to > use family names to indicate connection with land as well. A woman might > retain her family name after marriage if the couple remained on land her > family had owned, for example. > > Thus, a supposition I'm trying to track down is that the males on my paternal > line had some connection with a female some generations earlier who owned > land in the "Valley of the Flemish" ("Vale dos Flamengos" is still used as a > name for the area) and whose family name was Silveira, possibly one of van > der Haagen's daughters. A Leal married a Silveira and moved to live on her > family's land. The second part of my hypothesis is that even though Silveira > is a fairly common Portuguese name (similar to "Smith" in the U.S. in > occurence), the persistence of its use with males in my paternal line has > something to do with a desire to indicate a connection to the "original" > Silveiras--the children of van der Haagen. None of my Faialense relatives > knows of any such distant connection, but there is little knowedge at all > among them about previous generations. For people living in subsistence, > focus was more on present-day survival than ancestry records, so it's not > surprising so little is known further back than a generation or two. > > Tomás Leal > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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