Hi,

 

I think the name is “Vieira.” Compare the “r” to the “r” in other words in the 
record, e.g., “Sylveira” and “frequesia.”

 

Diane George  

 

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Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 11:03 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with an Obios from Matriz da Horta, Faial

 

Margaret -

 

Here is the link for the marriage record of Joze (Jozeph) and Isabel do 
Rosario. (top right page)

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-C-1722-1758/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-C-1722-1758_item1/P96.html

 

When I first posted it several members replied - one whom said the brides 
mothers name looked like "Viceza" (I don't have the diacritic over the e; which 
would make the full name Vicenza).

 

I don't believe that's correct.  I think the name is Viera.

 

Could you take a look and verify that if possible? (ninth line from the bottom 
of the record..

 

Thanks!

 

Lee

 


On Monday, August 11, 2014 1:03:08 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote:

Hi Lee,

 

That gap would make me suspicious.  Are you sure this is she?  The Mother's 
name is different, Maria Vieira.  The Parish is Santa Barbara and you wrote she 
was from S. Joao Batista which is a different freguesia.

 

 Note:  she was the daughter of Joam d'Azevedo and Maria Vencenza(?) (Isabel 
was from parish of Sao Joao Baptista, Pico)

 

On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Lee <shor...@suddenlink.net <javascript:> > 
wrote:

Thank you Margaret.

 

I  went to the birth records for Ribieras, Pico and finally found her record; 
she was born in 1722 which made her 46 at the time of her death - certainly a 
far cry from 60!  

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1697-1731/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1697-1731_item1/P205.html

 

Right side, top.

 

Again, thank you for your help.

 


On Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:55:22 AM UTC-4, Mara wrote:

Hi Lee,

 

Death date reads Sep. 2nd 1768.  Age 60 years old "more or less".

 

Notice he writes more or less because the age entered is not verified and you 
will need to look up her birth record within the timeframe above as a start and 
work it backwards.  I've found gaps of 10 years in some of my records.

 

On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Lee <shor...@suddenlink.net 
<mailto:shor...@suddenlink.net> > wrote:

Below is the link for the obitos of Isabel do Rozario (top, left page)

 

I know she was married to Joze Sylveira and died September 2nd??, 1768.

 

The main question that I have is her age at death - I see Secenta (60) which I 
have a problem with - she and Joze  were married in 1748 and from 1749 to 1763 
had 6 children (known of so far, that is).

 

I know this as been discussed before; but would she really have had a child as 
late as age 65?  (I DON'T THINK SO...)  Either the age is incorrect or she 
really, really looked much older than her true age at death.

 

According to their marriage which occurred in Horta on August 5, 1748, she was 
the daughter of Joam d'Azevedo and Maria Vencenza(?) (Isabel was from parish of 
Sao Joao Baptista, Pico)  and Joze was the son of Pai Incognito and Barbara 
Sylveira (slave of Captain Gregorio Perreira of Sao Matteus, Pico).

 

Any formation/help would be greatly appreciated.

 

 
<http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794_item1/P21.html>
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794_item1/P21.html

 

 

Than you!

 

Lee Estep

Oak Hill WV

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