I believe that Pedro and Monica share the same mother.
I think Claudia died young as no other records are found for her, and that
the mother is the same, that Maria Coelha and the Cura Domingo Bernardo had
died in the
ten years since Monica's birth
I'm looking at the padrinhos and witnesses on the records
*Pedro*- 1793- Manuel Valdao e Francisca Coelha, *padrinhos*.
Belchior Roiz, Caetano Coelho *testigos *
*Cura* Domingo Bernardo da Silveira
*Monica*-1796- Manuel Valadao e sua mulher Francisca Coelha *padrinhos,*
Belchior Roiz, Manuel Roiz,* testigos*
*Cura *Domingo
Bernardo da Silveira
*Claudia*-1806- Raimundo Jose Coelho *padrinho, *
Caetano Coelho, *testigo *
*Cura* Antonio Lourenco
Here's *Pedro* on a marriage record:
*Pedro José de Avelar* [n. Ponta Delgada, Santa Cruz das Flores, f.º de pai
incógnito e de Florência Maria]
c. 1813.02.18 c. Úrsula Joaquina [f.ª de pai incógnito e de Isabel Maria].
Here's *Monica *on a marriage record:
João Pimentel Canhoto [f.º de Manuel Pimentel Canhoto e de Inácia Rosa]
c. 1816.08.12 c. *Mónica Coelho* [n. Ponta Delgada, Santa Cruz das Flores,
f.ª de pai incógnito e de Florência Rosa].
Marriage record from Ponta Delgada for Padrinhos:
*Manuel Valadão* [f.º de João Valadão e de Maria Valadão]
c. 1769.04.04
*Francisca Coelho* [f.ª de João Rodrigues e de Maria Coelho].
*Testigo Raimundo Jose Coelho* on a marriage record:
*Raimundo José Coelho* [f.º de Pedro Coelho e de Bárbara Maria]
.
1799.08.01 c. Emerenciana da Conceição [f.ª de Manuel Furtado e de Mariana
Coelho, ambos j. d.].
*Testigo Caetano Coelho* on a Ponta Delgada marriage record:
Manuel Joaquim de Avelar [n. Corvo, f.º de *Caetano Coelho* e de Helena de
Freitas]
c. 1801.09.20 c. Rosa Joaquina de Freitas [f.ª de Manuel Coelho e de
Mariana de Freitas].
note the "de Avelar' surname shared by Pedro and Caetano's son
Eric Edgar
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 6:44 AM, <p...@dholmes.com> wrote:
> Maria Natalia, you are right.
>
> I can say I have seen this countless times from the 1700s forward on
> Terceira and Pico. If I were to pay attention to it elsewhere, I'm sure
> other places could be included, like Sao Miguel where I suspect you saw it.
>
> I'm not arguing one way or another about Joao's ancestral line. That takes
> in-depth study which he has done. But it certainly was a fact freed slaves
> were married to other regular citizens in the community. In fact, I have an
> ancestor from Sao Bento, Terceira whose son or daughter married the child
> of a slave. This was about 1700, if I recall.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help linking Pai Incognitos in Ponta
> Delgada, Flores
> From: mnk <kamis...@comcast.net>
> Date: Fri, September 26, 2014 5:06 am
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> I just want to say that I have seen a marriage of a slave to a free
> person. I can't remember what village I was searching when I saw it, but it
> was possibly Ginetes. I just remember because I had never seen that before.
> Maybe the priest in your case was progressive or anti-slavery so he did not
> mention race or status of the women.
> MNK
>
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