Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with death record

[Herb and Judi Silva]

 Eliseu, Margaret, Doug

 

 Thank you all who have responded.  I was up late and kind of half asleep and gave you the wrong birth date for my great grandmother. Maria's birth date was actually 27 Aug 1862 not 27 May.   Her parents married on 11 April 1836 in Agua de Pau

 

 

The Dos Santos name  goes back several generations in Agua de Pau until marriages with the Fagundes and  Borges ou Naborges which is a family also related to Margaret. I have that history.

 

  I will keep searching. I checked Lagoa too.  By the way she was a seamstress a "costureira" working in a home when she got pregnant.  The child was my g grandfather Inacio b. 22 Nov 1883 and he was raised by the Ventura family and raised with the Ventura surname. Later on in life he was known as Ignacio Ventura and also as Jose Ignacio Ventura.  The godparents were Joao do Rego Vital and Maria D'Andrade "viuva" widow.and both according to his baptism record appear to be from Sao Pedro PD, because they were known by the priest who was in parish of  Sao Pedro P.D.  By the way he married on 1 July 1908 in Rosto do Cao.

 

It is possible she didn't die immediately, but I would think she would have raised him herself if she hadn't

 

 

 

Herb

 

 

On 10/12/14, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva<eliseumanuel@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Hi Herb!

Is there any chance of her being held at the Misericórdia Hospital of Ponta Delgada?

Another question is: Água de Pau was “near” Vila Franca do Campo (wich has a S. Pedro parish and a Misericórdia hospital) and “near” Ribeira Grande (the same). You may want to try also Lagoa.

 

At the age of 21 she would be married by that time… She was living alone in Ponta Delgada? Do you have the address of the baby birth? If she was a maid at some home she could have been buried with the employer name… In those days a maid was a Maria dos Santos, period! Nobody would “care” to know who their parents were… if she had been pregnant without a husband, most likely people would dismiss her… with no place to go…

As your grandfather survived he must have been raised by someone… try to find out if he was given to be fed… look at the names too…

Another question is “dos Santos” was used in some villages to “identify” the incognitos…  Do you know the parents of Manuel dos Santos? If so try to look for a Maria buried with that name... By that time, in the obituary, the scriber would note the cause of death. Look for something like “morreo de parto” or “morreo ao dar à luz” (died giving birth).

Also try any registries of orphans…   

 

Hope this opens you new lines to search J

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Herb
Enviada:domingo, 12 de Outubro de 2014 03:06
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto:[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with death record

 

Family tradition says that my  great grandmother died giving birth or died shortly after giving birth to my gg gandafather.  He was born on 22 Nov 1883 in Sao Pedro Ponta Delgada.  The father was incognito.

 

 She would have been 21 when she gave birth. Her name was Maria dos Santos of Agua de Pau born 27 May 1862, daughter of Manuel dos Santos and Ricarda do Espirito Santo. They were  married 11 May 1836.

 

I have looked for many years for Maria dos Santos obituary.  Because  her son was born in Sao Pedro I searched there first, and all of the  surrounding parishes of Sao Sebastiao and Sao Jose, Rosto do Cao etc.  I also checked her village of Agua de Pau.  I haven't been able to find it and not sure I ever will. Please let me know if you should come across this record or if you are related to these families?

 

thanks

 

Herb

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