Children out of wedlock.....Could be a woman worked in a home and the boss had a little bit more in mind than just household help. Could be that two families did not like each other but their children did and got pregnant and weren't allowed to marry. Could be a wayward priest. Sailors or others who stopped over for a bit. Those are just a few that come to mind.
Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:11 PM, George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com> wrote: > Good eye Cheri... except this is one where family history fills in a > couple of gaps. > > The bride that I'm looking for (who is the child in the baptismal > record... Maria) is indeed the daughter of Antonio Andrade Chaves (my great > grandfather) and of Maria Jacintha d'Chaves. Although the father is not > named in the baptismal record, Antonio Andrade Chaves would later legally > register this child as his daughter. In terms of the last name "Rosa"... > this one baffles me a bit... however Maria Jacintha d'Chaves' sister, Anna > Jacintha de Chaves, would also give birth to an illegitimate child and her > child's name as an adult is Antonio Chaves Rosa (and his father's last name > was Moura). I believe "Rosa" was a family nickname. These ladies had a > grandmother by the name of Rosa (who as it turns out had their mother out > of wedlock as well). It's entirely possible that this family nickname came > from this grandmother named Rosa. Clearly where the nickname comes from is > pure speculation on my part... however I'm very confident that "Rosa" is a > nickname and that somehow this nickname became a legal last name. > > On a slight tangent... what's with all the children being born out of > wedlock ;) > > > > On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> George, >> >> No, wrong record you found on FamilySearch. That one says the bride is >> the daughter of Antonio A. (Chaves?) and Maria Rosa. Your baptism says that >> your Maria is the natural daughter of Maria Jacintha d'Chaves. With no >> father. Keep on looking! Cheri >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 7:46 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel < >> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> *Marriages were required to be registered during that time. The >>> Massachusetts State Archives has a site where you can search an index and >>> then order a copy of the record. You are in luck 1910 is the last year that >>> is on line. You can go to the site here: >>> http://www.sec.state.ma.us/vitalrecordssearch/VitalRecordsSearch.aspx >>> <http://www.sec.state.ma.us/vitalrecordssearch/VitalRecordsSearch.aspx> * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *I did a search and this is what I found.* >>> >>> de Sousa >>> >>> Antonio >>> >>> Hudson >>> >>> 1910 >>> >>> 595 >>> >>> 485 >>> >>> Marriage >>> >>> de Sousa >>> >>> Antonio J. >>> >>> Taunton >>> >>> 1910 >>> >>> 594 >>> >>> 359 >>> >>> Marriage >>> >>> de Sousa >>> >>> Antonio M. >>> >>> Lowell >>> >>> 1910 >>> >>> 595 >>> >>> 541 >>> >>> Marriage >>> >>> Sousa >>> >>> Antonio J. >>> >>> Taunton >>> >>> 1910 >>> >>> 594 >>> >>> 359 >>> >>> Marriage >>> >>> Sousa >>> >>> Antonio Vincent >>> >>> Seekonk >>> >>> 1910 >>> >>> 594 >>> >>> 353 >>> >>> Marriage >>> >>> >>> >>> Silva >>> >>> Maria Alzira >>> >>> Taunton >>> >>> 1910 >>> >>> 594 >>> >>> 379 >>> >>> Marriage >>> >>> Silva >>> >>> Maria Lexandrinha >>> >>> Taunton >>> >>> 1910 >>> >>> 594 >>> >>> 369 >>> >>> Marriage >>> >>> Vieira >>> >>> Maria J. >>> >>> Taunton >>> >>> 1910 >>> >>> 594 >>> >>> 359 >>> >>> Marriage >>> >>> Vital >>> >>> Maria da G. >>> >>> Taunton >>> >>> 1910 >>> >>> 594 >>> >>> 377 >>> >>> Marriage >>> >>> Vital >>> >>> Maria da Luz >>> >>> Taunton >>> >>> 1910 >>> >>> 594 >>> >>> 367 >>> >>> Marriage >>> >>> Vitorina >>> >>> Maria Aurora >>> >>> Taunton >>> >>> 1910 >>> >>> 594 >>> >>> 360 >>> >>> Marriage >>> >>> Vleira >>> >>> Maria >>> >>> >>> >>> *The name that matches is Maria J. Vieira. It makes sense to me that the >>> marriage was registered in Taunton.* >>> >>> >>> >>> *I have ordered records from the archives before and they will take a >>> check and are very prompt in getting the record to you. Good Luck* >>> >>> >>> >>> *Rick* >>> >>> *Richard Francis Pimentel* >>> >>> *Epping, NH* >>> >>> >>> >>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and >>> Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On >>> Behalf Of *George Sousa >>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 20, 2017 10:06 AM >>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Boston Churches >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you Joanne! >>> >>> >>> >>> This is a bit off topic for this group but does anyone know if it was a >>> requirement to register the marriage with the local town. I believe the >>> couple referenced in the side not of this baptismal record is also the same >>> couple listed in record 5 of https://familysearch.org/ar >>> k:/61903/3:1:S3HT-63P9-9WD?mode=g&cc=1469062. >>> >>> >>> >>> Am I on the right track? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Joanne Mercier < >>> musicmavene...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> The church in Boston, or more precisely West Roxbury, is St. Teresa of >>> Avila and would have been a parish in 1910. There is no St. Thomas so it >>> looks like Maria & Antonio were married there. The Archdiocese and the New >>> England Historical Genealogical Society are digitally scanning all the >>> record books and will be posting them at AmericanAncestors.com as they >>> become available. Not sure if they will be get as far as 1910 but keep an >>> eye out for it. These files can be seen through the free guest membership. >>> Good luck! >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 20, 2017 at 7:57:17 AM, George Sousa (georgecso...@gmail.com) >>> wrote: >>> >>> I would appreciate some help deciphering the side note on >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA- >>> VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1880-1884/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1880-188 >>> 4_item1/P120.html >>> >>> (on the left - No. 35 Maria). >>> >>> >>> >>> Does it say "Este individuo celebrou seu casamento com Antonio Joaquin >>> de Sousa em 1910 na Igreja St Theresa (perhaps Thomas) em Boston"? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for your help. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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