Hi! I am so sorry, I figured my story was a little jumbled. I was just so excited to finally find some like minded people. It's very difficult to get any straight answers from family mainly because they do not remember. Most of my family is gone so this becomes a real chore. I started with my family that is alive and went backwards. My mother's side is fairly simple, it's just a matter of finding records in Cultura Acores and cross referencing with whatever records we have that we know to be true.
I would really like to find out more about my great grandmother who my mother always referred to as Monica de Jesus. I recently found out that one of her daughter's "cedulas" her name is listed as Maria do Rosario Monica, it is not clear why this is, I will refer to her as Monica going forward. I can imagine that maybe she was baptized as Monica but registered by the other name. I found a baptism certificate for a Monica that was an exposta. I also found a marriage certificate for Monica de Jesus and Vitorino Medeiros (I know for sure they are my grandparents). In the marriage certificate Monica's parents are listed as icognitos. The confusion is when it comes to their children's baptismal certificates. Sometimes Monica is referred to as Maria do Rosario Monica, sometimes Monica de Jesus. Some children she lists one couple as her parents, other children a different couple. I know that these records are correct, I was just wondering if maybe there was some way to see if she had been adopted or raised by someone. I tested my DNA with AncestryDNA. Other than Ancestry, Cultura Acores, Family Tree, I don't know of any other place to look. On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 19:02, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Leonor B, > > Many Portuguese didn't have last names historically, especially women. > > It's hard to follow your story as we all have 2 grandfathers and 2 > grandmothers. It's not always stated in your story which if paternal and > which is maternal. You may just find it easier to use their names when > dealing with a genealogy group or list. Typing out "My paternal > grandfather" gets to be tedious and it's hard for the reader to follow. > > Your brother says your paternal grandfather (pai incognito) is Joao Afonso > de Oliveira. This would be on your mainland (Aljezur or Algrave) side. > There's 2 ways to test this theory. You can find a descendant of Joao > Afonso de Oliviera and get them to DNA test and see if you match. Or your > brother could take a Y-DNA test (that's your father's father's father's or > the top of the pedigree chart) and wait for a match to come along, from > someone else who has built the paper trail beyond your Joao Afonso de > Oliveira. The only company that tests Y-DNA for genealogy and provides > matching is Family Tree DNA. > > You mention you have tested your DNA. With which company? If it's not > FTDNA, you need to transfer over (it's free and so are the matches). Fish > in as many ponds as you can to find those cousins. Or you (and your > brother) can test on FTDNA's platform. Yes, you and your brother should > both DNA test as you have inherited different quarters of your > grandparents' DNA. > > Expostos or expostas don't have records in the Azores. Not too sure what > the continent has. When working the records in the Azores, if a parent (or > both) come forward and claim the baby, it may be noted in that baby's > baptism margin. Sometimes the church kept a separate book of > legitimizations. If you are using Tombo.pt to access the records, it's easy > to tell which churches kept these books. I don't know why your ancestor > names one couple and then another as her parents. You could have > inadvertently have the wrong record. Maybe your ancestor gave the name of > the couple that raised her (although that's unlikely in the Azorean records > - they just usually say pais incognitos), or maybe she knew who they were > and was naming the real ones. It's really hard to actually know. > > I think the best strategy for you would be to work from the known to the > unknown. Work the lines with the known parents to gain the experience and > search techniques that you need. Once you are getting pretty comfortable > with your research skills, then go tackle those mystery lines. > Good luck, > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 12:51 PM <leonor.bert...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello, >> I am new to the group and to Genealogy in general. I was always curious >> but I finally took the plunge in January. I am hoping to get some guidance >> from those more experienced. Here's a little bit of my story: >> >> My father is from Aljezur (small town in Algarve). I do not know much >> about his family, he went to Sao Miguel, Azores in the army, where he met >> my mother. Money was tight, so we never met his family. The story is that >> my grandmother worked in a brothel or was a lady of the night. She had 3 >> kids, 2 boys and a girl, I believe. My birth certificate says that my >> paternal grandfather is unknown, however, my brother's says that it was >> someone by the name of Joao Afonso de Oliveira. My brother is 11 years >> older than I, I'm not sure what happened in those 11 years that made my >> father forget who his father was. My father did not have a last name, his >> name was Armando Joao. Myself and my siblings were given the last name of >> Oliveira. To complicate matters, my mother did not have a last name either >> but she went by (Maria Amelia) Soares Manteiga. I have been able to find a >> lot of baptismal certificates which explains some things, I have even been >> able to connect with a 4th cousin by DNA and through our trees. If this >> wasn't complicated enough, I found out that my great grandmother (on my >> mother's side) was an "exposta". Some documents she lists one couple as her >> parents and in other documents she names a different couple. Both couples >> are different from her godparents. I would like to know if there are any >> records, that you know of, for the "expostos", who raised them? Is there a >> database I can look at? There is a blank from the time my great grandmother >> was baptized and when she got married. My grandmother (my mother's mom) >> lived in the Azil for 4 years after her husband died. She had 4 young >> children and could not afford to raise them on her own so the entire family >> lived in the Azil until my grandmother remarried. Is there any way for me >> to find out any more information about this? I was born in Sao Miguel, I >> have been in Canada for bout 36 years, I am fluent in Portuguese but I am >> having a difficult time with this, I think it's because I am doing the >> wrong searches, or lack of experience. 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