Thank you Doreen but this isn't part of any research I am doing. This was just the first inaccuracy I have ever found in the Terceira Marriage Index and I became briefly obsessed with researching it thoroughly to make sure I was right. That being said, the marriage index is an invaluable tool that I use extensively. I am grateful for those who created it.
As your sixth-eighth cousin at least 4 different ways through our common Ribeirinha ancestry, I am glad you could benefit from my malady. Bill On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 7:35:48 PM UTC-7, Bill Seidler wrote: > > I think Gracia's godparents are Alferes Sebastião Nunes, son of Simão > Gonçalves, deceased; and Agueda de Luz, daughter of Capitão Francisco Lucas > > For Manuel's godparents, I'm having a tough time. Trying to follow the > crooked lines it looks like Simão Gonçalves, deceased; and that doesn't > make sense. It is probably one of his sons just like it was for his sister > Gracia. The godmother looks like Maria Manuel, daughter of Manuel Nunes. > > CURA is a title for a priest. > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 6:40:16 PM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote: >> >> Wow. Thanks. I have spent the day reviewing these and putting them into >> my database. I Have some additional information for you as well but would >> like to start with my questions on what you sent me. >> >> I’m having trouble reading Gracia and Manuel’s Godparents’ names. Can you >> look at those and get back to me with what you think they are? >> >> I was wondering what the word “Cura” in front of the Joao’s godfather’s >> name (Cura Roque Martins)? >> >> >> >> Now Bartolomeu Gil and Maria Nunes had two more children: >> >> 1. Antonio Martins was their son. He married Isabel do Rosario and >> they had 7 children. Both had been married before. Antonio Martins had >> married a woman named Maria Nunes 4/6/1711, >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P128.html. >> >> Isabel do Rosario was married to Tome Borges2/1716, >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P10.html >> >> . It appears to me that Isabel married Tome after Antonio died but still >> need to locate his death record to confirm this information. It appear >> that >> Isabel was Antonio second wife and Maria Nunes is the mother of his >> children but since I have not located the marriage record of Antonio and >> Isabel I can not say that for a fact either. f you want their information >> let me know. >> 1. Maria Borges born 5/3/1725 in Altares. I had the link but when >> I was copying it I deleted instead of copied so I will have to find it >> again but record indicates that he is the child of Isabel and Thome. >> 2. Joao Goncalves Borges born 10/31/1726 and died 11/16/1799. >> Married Luzia da Conceicao in 1754 in Altares, >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P146.html >> >> I have 4 children for them: Antonio Goncalves Borges, Rosa Maria, Joao >> Goncalves Borges and Isabel de Jesus but records indicate that Joao is the >> son of Isabel husband Thome.???? >> >> 1. Francisco Borges born 3/17/1730 in Altares and is also a son of >> Isabel and Thome. >> 2. Manuel Coelho Borges born 6/3/1734 in Altares. Married a lady >> names Isabel according to child’s information Manuel is also a child >> of >> Isabel and Thome. >> 3. Antonio Borges born 4/28/1740 in Altares, >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745_item1/P150.html. >> >> Antonio is a child of Isabel and Thome. >> 4. Joao Martins Gil died before 1757 and was married in 1738 in >> Altares to Maria do Espirito Santo >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P80.html. >> >> I have two children for them: Francisca Ignacia and Andre Martins. >> Joao is >> the child of Antonio and Maria >> 5. Thome Martins Gil married Sebastiana Rosa do Sacramento in >> Altares 1744 >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P112.html.Antonio >> >> is the child of Antonio and Maria. I have two children for Thome and >> Sebastiana: Antonio Martins Gil and Rosa Joaquina. >> >> >> >> 1. Maria Nunes, who married Manuel Martins on 6/29/1698, >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P75.html >> >> Hope this helps you as much as your information help me. Thanks Doreen >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for >> Windows 10 >> >> >> >> *From: *Bill Seidler >> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 30, 2019 11:33 PM >> *To: *Azores Genealogy >> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares marriage >> recordofBartolomeu Goncalves and Maria Nunes from 1670 >> >> >> >> >> >> I believe this is the same person's obit right side bottom right >> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1647-1707/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1647-1707_item1/P67.html>. >> >> It has Bartolomeu spelled out; last name Gil >> >> >> >> Here is the marriage of the Maria in the above baptism: right side >> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P75.html> >> >> This is the has Bartolomeu spelled out; last name Gil >> >> >> >> >> >> left center >> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690_item1/P114.html> >> >> Manuel; it has father as Bermeu Gil >> >> >> >> bottom left >> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690_item1/P89.html> >> José; >> It has Br.to Gil >> >> >> >> 2nd on left >> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690_item1/P101.html> >> >> Gracia; named spelled out as Bertolomeu Gil >> >> >> >> 2nd on left >> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690_item1/P126.html>Isabel; >> >> it has name as Bermeu Gil >> >> >> >> 3rd on right >> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690_item1/P137.html> >> >> Antoniol; It has name as Br.to Gil >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 6:57:34 PM UTC-7, Bill Seidler wrote: >> >> Hello Doreen, >> >> >> >> I realize that the index says the groom is Bartolomeu Gonçalves, but it >> sure looks like Gil to me instead of Glz. I've also never seen Bartolomeu >> abbreviated like that but I don't know what else it could be. I think this >> is the baptism of their first child and the name still seems to be Gil and >> has what might be a different abbreviation for Bartolomeu (I'm accustomed >> to "B.meu".) Maria, top right. >> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690_item1/P80.html> >> >> >> >> Bill Seidler >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 5:51:03 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote: >> >> Like Cheri says, ‘too much vino’ 😉 >> >> Groom’s parents: Joao Goncalves, deceased and of his wife Maria Manuel >> >> with Maria Nunes, daughter of Manuel Martins Berberea and of his wife >> Maria Nunes. >> >> >> >> Margaret >> >> *From: *doreen...@gmail.com >> *Sent: *July 30, 2019 2:21 PM >> *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com >> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares marriage record >> ofBartolomeu Goncalves and Maria Nunes from 1670 >> >> >> >> I need help reading this marriage record. If I follow the normal pattern >> it seems like the priest was not writing in a straight line. I thin it says >> the grooms parents are Joao Goncalves and Maria Marques. The bride’s >> parents would be Manuel Martins Berbereia and Maria Nunes. The problem is I >> can not find the groom’s parents’ marriage. So this is making me question >> whether I have handled the mismatched lines correctly. I’m think that my >> limitations in the Portuguese language may have made me make a mistake. It >> is no the bottom of the right side of the page. 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