Can you send me where you are with this couple so I can determine what you need. I have Genoveva’s siblings too.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: acore...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 7:46 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livngAlmagreira(Lajes do Pico) Yes Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2019, at 7:10 AM, <doreencaet...@gmail.com> <doreencaet...@gmail.com> wrote: Sandra I do not know if this will help but I might have some information. I have a Genovera Ignacia being the child of Jose Silveira Carvao de Brum and Maria de Brum. I just messed up the database on this couple trying to type the information into this message but I will recover it from what I have saved to the cloud and get back to you. Do you think this is the same couple. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Sandra Valine Dauer Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 1:12 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira(Lajes do Pico) Thank you for your help. I checked her daughter, Maria Rosario, four children baptism records from Lajes do Pico: Manuel 24 Nov 1901 list maternal grandparents Jose Silveira e Genoveva Ignancia; Maria 29 Jan 1904 and Joao 08 Jun 1908 and Francisca 16 Dec 1906 only list maternal as Genoveva Ignancia. Sandra Valine Dauer Virus-free. www.avast.com On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 2:27 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: Sandra, Yes. It says illegitimate. Strange since baptism says natural. As for the witnesses: Jose Maria Bettencourt, proprietor, and Jose Bettencourt de Macedo, farmer. However, I’m on my phone so I hesitate to say with 100% certainty. Gayle PS: Margaret is the true expert. On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Sandra Valine Dauer <acore...@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry here is the link for the 1898 marriage of Maria do Rosario daughter of Genoveva bottom right top left http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer Virus-free. www.avast.com On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:56 AM Sandra Valine Dauer <acore...@gmail.com> wrote: Gayle thanks for the idea. Here is Maria Rosario marriage record. I think it says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no mention of a Father. Is this correct? Need help with the lines after describing the witness Jose Maria Bettencourt. For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record in California. She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno County, California had ten children, Manuel died 1922. Next she married Manuel Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers. Francisca died 1947 and is buried with her first husband in Selma, Calfornia. Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer Virus-free. www.avast.com On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: Sandra, This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with CITCEM and that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” so I went back to the actual records and noticed that the last three were listed as “natural” not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering whether it was known or merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. If merely assumed, maybe she couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the marriages of the last three children to see if a “father” was suddenly known or remained incognito ? If known, who was he ? Sounds like fun figuring this out. 🙃 Gayle On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer <acore...@gmail.com> wrote: Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father on the first two children. On the last three children she is listed a widow. On the 4th child widow of Manuel Silveira. Is the correct on the five records? Anyone have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and or she is considered a widow? The links are listed below. Thank you Sandra Valine Dauer 1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html 2. Maria bottom left top right No 81 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.html 3. Joao bottom right top left No 84 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P215.html 4. 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