Hi Margaret, Thanks for the explanation. I don't think I've ever heard Eugenia pronounced in Portuguese. As for the word Asia, the "correct" pronunciation is going to depend on where one lives and the regional accent there. And the "J" sound varies here...it's all over the place. Now through in Australia into the mix and that adds a degree of difficulty. Glad you figured out though. Many times, I close my eyes and try different sounds in pronouncing the word. The closest I could come up with was Ignacia which was not the correct answer.
And a definite lucky break in finding that needle in the haystack! Lucky Rob! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 12:16 PM Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: > It is written Osiana. How do I see Eugenia? How do you pronounce the > word “ASIA” If you sound it off correctly it sounds like the letter “ J ” > not the S sound. Now take this and pronounce Ojina, what do you get? > > Cheri, I didn’t do anything different than anyone else researching for > information. And, no I didn’t have the couple in my database. I also knew > it was like trying to find a needle in a hay stack. I suppose I was lucky > to have found that needle. I should say Rob is the lucky one. I found the > couple within a day or two of Rob’s first email but his estimated dates > were not matching my findings, neither was his story, so I dismissed it and > kept an eye out for other same name couples during my other research. I > also continued work on this particular couple gathering as much info as I > could about parents, grandparents, children etc. and saw that there were > too many coincidences matching up to his story but the timing was still > off. Now that Rob provided a solid piece of evidence plus another > solidifying piece of his cousin’s marriage certificate, I knew the > research paid off and that it could be passed on to Rob. > > Margaret V. > > PS: one important part of the research was the couples children’s > godparents who led me to connecting the dots in between the two Australian > marriages. > > > > *From: *Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> > *Sent: *January 3, 2020 2:21 PM > *To: *Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com> > *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names. > > > > Orsiana (sp?) is Eugenia? OK, I really don't understand Australian > accents. So was it something you had in your database? How did you figure > it out? Many on this list want to learn how to do it themselves. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 11:00 AM Margaret Vicente < > margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Rob, > > I have sent you some information privately and I can now confirm that I > have your information and that Anthony Thomas is first cousins of Joao do > Couto. Their mothers are sisters whose 2nd names is Eugenia. Maria > Eugenia and Claudina Eugenia. > > Margaret Vicente > > > > *From: *Rob Whaite <rwhait...@gmail.com> > *Sent: *January 3, 2020 1:28 PM > *To: *azores@googlegroups.com > *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names. > > > > Hi > > > > I also discovered that the witness Elizabeth,(Ink is a bit blotchy) of the > first marriage is the bride of the second. > > > > Bit hard to read but definitely the same signature. > > > > So,there is a definite relationship here, or very good friends,one or the > other. > > > > Rob > > > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 6:37 PM Rob Whaite <rwhait...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks Nancy I shall be in touch > > > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:43 AM Nancy Couto <nvcouto...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Note that Marianno Borges was a witness for both weddings. That, along > with the fact that Osiana (or Asiana) appears to be an uncommon name, > suggests that the two grooms might be related. At any rate, it’s a good > guess. > > > > I searched for information on the Osiana or Asiana surname and learned > that the name is popular in the Philippines but is also known in Mexico and > Uraguay and I’m sure other places as well. > > > > Rob, I’m a Couto and I have a very distant Ancestry DNA match with someone > named Whaite—not you, though, and I think my match is from California. I’m > interested in how your search plays out. Good luck! > > > > Nancy > > > > > > > > On Jan 2, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Ascenção? Inacia/Ignacia? Luciana? (And they misunderstood the L?) Joana? > Lauriana? Mariana? Sebastiana? Some of those aren't likely, but have an > "ana" sound on the end. Maybe it will give someone an idea. > > > > I'm going to disagree with Debbie here. There's nothing in the document to > indicate cousinship between the grooms. Maybe they are and maybe they > aren't. To avoid tunnel vision, I'd treat them as 2 distinct, unrelated men. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:53 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca < > jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Rob, > > > > I see that the first two marriages on the page are what you are > referring to. The dates are a day apart, so I suspect after marrying in > the church, they went together to record the marriages officially. Yes, I > believe the grooms were likely cousins. Both mothers are reported to use > Osiana... their first names are Mary and Claudina. One spelling looked > like Asiana. I also didn’t find a Portuguese surname that was similar. > > > > Does anyone have name ideas? I suspect the grooms are doing the best > they can. Both used a mark to sign. > > > > If you know the place the came from... Azores? ...look for birth records. > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:03 AM Rob Whaite <rwhait...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Cheri > > > > I attach a couple of Australian marriage certificates. > > It is interesting that two of them are for Portuguese people in the State > of Victoria in 1866 .Thomas(Tomasz) and De Quite(Do Couto) and in the same > place(suspicious)? > > > > Both their mothers have the same maiden name Osiama or similar so maybe > the two individuals getting married are cousins? > > > > In any case have you, or anybody else for that matter ever heard of this > surname? > > > > Be very interested to know. > > > > Best Regards > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > 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