What were the exact batman-adv versions at the time you made those graphs for 
the shown nodes as well as any intermediate nodes (although if I got your setup 
right then the nodes in those graphs do not have any intermediate batman-adv 
hops involved, do they?)?

Does it make a difference if you make the entries in the neighbor solicitation 
table permanent (e.g. with 'ip -6 neigh')?

Do the same spikes appear with a 'batctl ping' (or if adding such graphs is 
quite a hassle then at least, is the overall 'batctl ping' packet loss similar 
to the one from the ip ping)?

Do you see any "Changing route towards" events in the batman-adv logs between 
these supposedly always direct neighbors - if yes, maybe with a similar 
frequency? Or even better, check whether the same packet loss appears when 
isolating any of such pairs of nodes so that no batman-adv route changes could 
happen at all.

Do these packet loss events correlate with periods of high OGM loss (e.g. check 
for high last-seen values in the originator table)?

> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 03. Januar 2013 um 17:17 Uhr
> Von: "Jan Lühr" <[email protected]>
> An: "The list for a Better Approach To Mobile Ad-hoc Networking" 
> <[email protected]>
> Betreff: Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] Packet-Loss-Peaks in a Freifunk-Network
>
> Hello,
> 
> Am 03.01.2013 um 17:05 schrieb Marek Lindner:
> 
> > On Thursday, January 03, 2013 23:52:42 Jan Lühr wrote:
> >> Well, I started echoing on the underlying VPN-connection as well and
> >> changed the chart-titles for clearance:
> >> 
> >> In chart 4 and chart 5 RTT / Loss from kif.kbu to node-1 is measured.
> >> In chart 4 kif is sending ICMPv6 to the link-local address of
> >> bat0-interface - in chart 5 the link_local address of the underlying
> >> vpn-interface is used.
> > 
> > All tests are from the same node to the same node using exactly the same 
> > means 
> > (protocols, etc) with the exception of batman-adv ? Sorry for my dumb 
> > question 
> > but your topology might be obvious to you but isn't for me (us?).
> 
> yes.
> 
> > 
> > The spikes on your graphs show the packet loss ?
> 
> yes.
> 
> > How can we have a RTT < 50ms 
> > while experiencing packet loss ?
> 
> 
> Collectd uses a ping rate of 10 seconds here, RTT >= 0.9s = 900ms is "loss"
> If 1/3 arrives in < 50ms and 2/3 are lost, RTT is < 50ms  while loss = 2/3.
> 
> Btw. I you wanna see our setup, we can take a tour via ssh / tmux - I can 
> provide the rrd-Files, too.
> You can contact my by jabber ([email protected]) as well,
> 
> Thanks,
> Keep smiling
> yanosz
> 
> 

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