I think that your non-Flash rant is biased and uninformed. Why is it always Flash vs. HTML? Flash can supplement HTML and vice versa. They are good at different things. The Medium is the Message.
> What gets me is that it doesn't degrade , at all . you don't have the > plugin or even the latest version of the plugin you don't get the site . That's what JavaScript detection is for. >Ever tried navigating a flash site with speech reader , braille pad , >set-top-box browser , text mode only or mobile phone ? This area admittedly has a few shortcomings, but Flash has support for Section 508, plug-ins for set top boxes and mobile phones. If you're doing text heavy sites in Flash, you've got bigger problems. Flash isn't for everything. Obviously, Amazon, Yahoo, eBay will use html. But trying doing marketing heavy, or real eLearning material with "standards". You don't get audio. You don't get video. You don't get designer friendly tools to animate and you don't get cross browser scripting. I wish there were standard tools to do what Flash does (Firefox gave me hope, M$ squashed that hope with IE 7). But I think that, just like AJAX, "standards" will continue following in Flash's footsteps and Macromedia will stay one step ahead of the dhtml (or whatever acronym you're giving it today) world for a long time. Big sites with lots of content will continue to use html but the marketing dollars will continue to gravitate to Flash. Go ahead and have your fun with html (actually, javascript). The clients I work with want to use Flash AND html. On 8/2/05, Amias Channer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 03:15:53 -0400 > "Don Holeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This page did not work in Firefox, though it did in IE. Client side > > scripting has a lot of drawbacks, browser dependency is only one of > > them. > > Flexibility and security are big issues too. I'm agreed that flash is > > the best option for 3d and animation generally though it's got a steep > > cost in both monitary terms and the learning curve. > > > > More generally, though, I wonder if we could be seeing the beginning > > of the demise of the browser as we know it? Right now the paradigm of > > browser plugins is the dominant mechanism for extending presentation, > > but there's no reason to think this will always be the case. > > I don't mean to rant but : > > The continued rise of AJAX would seem to suggest that the browser is > still going strong , at least to me anyway. Client side scripting has > come on leaps and bounds since the dark old days of DHTML . There are > several APIs for doing cross browser AJAX some of which feature drawing > apis which will get you close to the flash look . > It will undoubtably be harder than flash and not as slick. > > For me Flash is an unacceptable compromise in any website , sure it > looks lovely and i don't deny for a second that some amazing things have > been done with it. > > What gets me is that it doesn't degrade , at all . you don't have the > plugin or even the latest version of the plugin you don't get the site . > The success of the web for me is in its use of open standards , flash is > going the wrong my IMHO. > > Ever tried navigating a flash site with speech reader , braille pad , > set-top-box browser , text mode only or mobile phone ? > > I don't think plugins have been as important as you think , take google > for example there flagship sites use no plugins at all and are some of > the best and , most crucially , the busiest on the web. > > Amazon , yahoo and ebay are the same , simple standards compliant sites > with good content. If you don't want to conquer the web then use flash > but otherwise stick with the standards and help make them better. > > Toodle-pip > Amias > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
