Ed,
"massive abstractions of reality" are immensely helpful, most
especially when they are held in common. They are normally used as
words, though in some instances symbols may obtain ~:"
ease of learning them should be greatly enhanced given the
interactive and photo illustration available.
regarding Concept Coding Framework:
http://dewey.computing.dundee.ac.uk/andy/?q=node/43
People with Learning Disabilities may rely on symbols for communication.
Jonathan Chetwynd
Accessibility Consultant on Learning Disabilities and the Internet
29 Crimsworth Road
SW8 4RJ
020 7978 1764
http://www.eas-i.co.uk
On 20 Jun 2007, at 09:14, Ed Parsons wrote:
Jonathan,
What is so unbelievable? the key point is that we are not talking
about the printed map paradigm anymore, where you were restricted to
a massive abstraction of reality to allow communication using a
single static symbol.
I like the idea of a range of symbology, which could work in the same
way we have scale dependent symbols now.. as you "zoom-in" more
symbols appear - but this could be a preference for a single scale..
I need to understand more on the concept coding framework where would
be a good place to start ?
ed
On 20 Jun 2007, at 09:06, ~:'' ありがとうございました。
wrote:
Ed,
have difficulty believing your reply:
would a printed map that uses a single icon for 'town' with a
gazetteer of locations and "additional information" be as usable?
The current Google idiom is but one possibility, some user testing
of other well tried methods might be helpful. could you test a
sliding scale of symbol vocabulary so that the user could select
their breadth of symbol usage, and visually guage their competence?
on a similar theme I have asked TV Raman and Chris Dibona to
consider the benefits of ranking search results using readability
scores.
to discuss:
how does an originator or author introduce a new value
"myNewToYouSymbol"?
this evidently requires negotiation as the user may or may not wish
to know about and learn this symbol.
this was described as the "red bus, green bus" issue during the ccf
conference some years ago.
implementation of the "concept coding framework" would enable the
users application to display symbols known to the user.
in your example of places of worship, the slider could have 4
values: marker only, generic worship symbols, common religious
symbols, author values.
regards
Jonathan Chetwynd
On 19 Jun 2007, at 09:36, Ed Parsons wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
Yes the point I was making is that given a web map is interactive
you don't need as many symbols to represent features for which you
have additional information or are classified. So for example
rather than having different symbols representing the type of
"place or worship", church, temple, mosque etc. a single symbol on
icon could be used and the additional information made available by
clicking on it and getting an "info bubble", or playing some audio
or showing a picture etc...
Happy to discuss ..
ed
On 19 Jun 2007, at 07:28, ~:'' ありがとうございました。
wrote:
Ed,
"such an extensive collection of symbols will not be needed."
could you expand on this as your meaning isn't clear?
currently Google relies on individuals creating symbols for their
own mashups which might seem to create more libraries rather than
a few standard ones.
I work with people who use symbols to communicate rather than text.
People with low literacy or learning disabilities.
Have you come across the "concept coding framework" which was
specifically created to consider the issue that different
communities use different symbols.
That is to label a resource or location in this instance with a
concept, the user's application then applies a symbol.
There are difficulties, which if your are interested we could
discuss further...
regards
Jonathan Chetwynd
On 18 Jun 2007, at 09:16, Ed Parsons wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
Ok now I understand, yes you are right google supports only a
limited number of "pin" icons, but then map symbology is a rather
cultural phenomena so what is familer to a user in the England
brought up on OS mapping will appear alien to a resident of Zurich
brought up using the excellent maps of Swiss Topo. Over time
perhaps a standard form of representation may develop for web
mapping, but as by their nature such maps are dynamic and can
display information as the user interacts with them perhaps such
an extensive collection of symbols will not be needed.
You are of course free to create you own symbols and share them
with the community.
ed
On 18 Jun 2007, at 08:07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。
wrote:
Ed,
Icons, but where is the key? what icons are standard for google
maps?
OS maps provide a key for churches, post offices and much more...
much of this information is static over decades.
markers or drawing pins provide a very limited common vocabulary.
regards
Jonathan Chetwynd
http://labs.google.com/ridefinder/images/ is forbidden
On 13 Jun 2007, at 12:13, Ed Parsons wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
Do you mean icons ? http://www.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/
#Creating_Icons
ed
On 13 Jun 2007, at 10:59, ~:'' ありがとうございまし
た。 wrote:
Re: Google Map Symbols Key
an interactive version with improved graphics is now available:
http://www.peepo.co.uk/temp/moulin/moulin.svg
using CSS only ~:"
cheers
Jonathan Chetwynd
On 12 Jun 2007, at 15:42, ~:'' ありがとうございまし
た。 wrote:
Google Map Symbols Key
how is it possible to add symbols to google maps?
in addition to the current drawing-pin or text-bubbles.
my hack demo: http://www.peepo.co.uk/temp/moulin/moulin.svg
valuable prize for adding location and text.
Example keys:
Ordinance Survey: http://tinyurl.com/3axdny
streetmap: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/mapkey.htm
cheers
~:"
Jonathan Chetwynd
Jonathan Chetwynd
Accessibility Consultant on Learning Disabilities and the Internet
29 Crimsworth Road
SW8 4RJ
020 7978 1764
http://www.eas-i.co.uk
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Google UK
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Google UK
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Geospatial Technologist
Google UK
Belgrave House 76 Buckingham Palace Road London SW1W 9TQ
Mobile: +44 (0) 7825 382263 Direct: +44 (0) 20 7881 4629
"It's better to be a pirate than to join the Navy."
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Geospatial Technologist
Google UK
Belgrave House 76 Buckingham Palace Road London SW1W 9TQ
Mobile: +44 (0) 7825 382263 Direct: +44 (0) 20 7881 4629
"It's better to be a pirate than to join the Navy."
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