Eric, Kern,

Thanks a lot for your concise and clear answers! I'm really itching to
thoroughly start testing Bacula now.

If it works as well as you describe, and I expect it will, I honestly
believe those VirtualFull + Accurate features should be advertised a lot
more. Seriously :-)

Thank you for your time,

Pascal



On 02/03/2010 02:58 PM, Kern Sibbald wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 February 2010 13:59:59 Pascal Vandeputte wrote:
>   
>> Dear Bacula developers,
>>
>> A few years ago I deployed IBM Tivoli Storage Manager in the company I
>> worked for at the time. Since then I've never really encountered a
>> backup product that could match it in terms of speed or resource
>> utilization, which can be entirely attributed to the "progressive
>> incremental" backup strategy it uses. A file is never transferred over
>> the network twice, TSM always takes incremental backups and keeps track
>> of files it already has somewhere in its backup pool by using a
>> relational database (IBM DB2 since TSM version 6). For a longer
>> explanation, see
>>
>> https://agora.cs.illinois.edu/display/tsg/Progressive+Incremental+Backups+e
>> xplained
>>
>> Only new files are transferred to backup storage, files which have
>> disappeared from the host since the previous backup are marked inactive
>> and eventually purged from backup storage depending on the defined
>> retention policies. It backs up to disk at night for speed, and
>> transfers from disk to tape during working hours in a FIFO manner. This
>> way restores are often almost instantaneous because the recent backup
>> data is still on disk. Other daytime tape maintenance operations involve
>> the creation of an off-site copy of the primary storage pool tapes
>> (which are always on-line (!), your tape library must be large enough to
>> accomodate this), reclamation (freeing tapes with mostly expired data)
>> and collocation (moving data from a specific host on as least tapes as
>> possible).
>>
>> The system works really well. Unfortunately no other backup product that
>> I know of implements the same backup strategy. As a side effect, there
>> is no real competition in this space and the licensing costs of TSM
>> aren't pretty... My current employer isn't a TSM shop and as I'm not
>> exactly thrilled with our current backup solution, I'm looking at
>> affordable TSM alternatives but it appears that there just aren't any.
>>
>> I hoped that Bacula's new "basejob" deduplication feature would start
>> offering something in this direction (as files in a basejob are only
>> backed up once), but now that I've read a bit more about it, it doesn't
>> seem to do what I hoped for. :-(
>>
>> What could be the reason no other companies or open source projects go
>> in this direction? There are great open source databases, there are
>> great open source backup projects, but there are none which attempt to
>> forge these technologies into an "always incremental" backup product (or.
>> "enterprise class data management system" as some prefer to call it...).
>>     
>
> Bacula has had "progressive incremental or always incremental" since the very 
> beginning of the project.  It is however, in my opinion, a feature that had 
> certain disadvantages tjat TSM doesn't mention much until a two recent Bacula 
> features called VirtualFull and Accourate  We just do not advertise it as 
> much as TSM does, but it is there.  Do a full and then incrementals, and when 
> Bacula does a restore, it reads and restores only the last incremental 
> written for each file.  The downside of this is that if you don't have a 
> VirtualFull+Accurate, you may end up with missing files and/or a very large 
> number of volumes needed to do a restore.
>
> Base Job deduplication is yet another feature (Bacula only as far as I can 
> tell) that can drastically reduce the amount of data transferred for a 
> backup -- particularly for a Full backup.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Kern
>
>   
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Pascal
>>
>> P.S. The following document is a great introduction to TSM concepts:
>> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp0044.pdf
>>     
>
>
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