On Monday 11 December 2006 15:13, Georger Araujo wrote:
> Kern,
> I entirely agree with you - I had noticed this myself. But I don't thinks
it's SF's fault, at least not on purpose.
Well, IMO it is probably not anything they have done against Bacula on purpose
as you say, but it *is* their fault. I don't like their commercial ads, but
it doesn't bother me enough to complain. However, if they include deceptive
ads from commercial companies that use an Open Software cover with what seems
to me to be incorrect information, then I'm not happy.
> I use a lot of software hosted on SF, and browse the site often. When I go
to the PDFCreator project page, I am flooded with ads of commercial software
which does the exact same thing as PDFCreator does - and are probably not as
robust and mature. Same thing at the FreeMind project page, and several other
pages. SF just tags projects ('backup', 'PDF', 'mind mapper'), and displays
ads of commercial software in the same category. This is just their ad system
doing its job.
As I said, I don't particularly like that, but as long as the ads are not
misleading, I could live with it.
> Zmanda is a commercial offering, Amanda is the original project. Judging
from how long I've been hearing about Amanda (I first heard of it in '97 our
'98, I think), I **suppose** the project is run by serious and civil
individuals who would never approve of such behaviour.
Well, from what I understand, Zmanda hired the main Amanda programmers at
least that is what their web site says. Judging by the little activity that
I have seen from the Amanda developers over the past 5 years, I would say
that it was an almost dead project until the venture capitalists decided to
invest and create Zmanda. The project does seem to have taken new life,
which is nice, providing Zmanda (Amanda) is really and remains Open Source.
After looking at some of the new features listed on the Zmanda web site, I
downloaded the most recent code and from a very quick look got the impression
that the current code does not contain all the features mentioned.
> Successful open source projects (and businesses) are usually run by nice
people. It's the sales and marketing people that do this kind of dirty stuff.
It is clear that the marketing are trying to promote their company, and it is
very common for company ads to exaggerate the facts. What I object to is
having Source Forge which lists only Open Software put those deceptive (IMO)
adds on the Bacula project page.
> They're weighing in the name Amanda made for itself over the years, and care
little about facts. Before deploying my Linux-based backup solution, I did
**A LOT** of research and Bacula won, hands down.
Thanks.
> But I've been doing IT for 11 years now and have had people tell me SQL
Server is more scalable than Oracle -- facts don't really matter.
>
> I believe SF will at most answer politely, but highly doubt they're going to
do something about it if it hurts (and it DOES hurt) their bottom line.
We will see. I have just received a preliminary response from the technical
staff that says they have forwarded my request for management review. That
is a positive step IMO.
Best regards,
Kern
> Regards,
>
> Georger
>
> ----- Mensagem original ----
> De: Kern Sibbald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Para: bacula-users <bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Cc: bacula-devel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 11 de Dezembro de 2006 10:38:58
> Assunto: [Bacula-users] Source Forge abusive commercial ads
>
> Hello,
>
> For your information, I have just submitted the following service request to
> Source Forge. While one must tolerate a certain amount of abuse in this
> world, in this particular case (see below), I find Source Forge's commercial
> actions annoying ...
>
> ===============
> Every time I access the Bacula Source Forge page, there are ads for Zmanda,
> which I don't much like, but OK, you have to earn your living too. However,
> these ads are what I call abusive in the sense that they are providing what
I
> consider to be unfounded and possibly false information. For example, the
> most recent add claims that Amanda or Zmanda is the most popular Open Source
> backup software. Where is the proof of this? If I look at the project
> statistics and your rating of the Amanda vs Bacula projects are as follows:
>
> Bacula
> rank = 664 Downloads = 313,407
>
> Amanda
> rank = 1,138 Downloads = 182,253
>
> If Amanda/Zmanda wish to make such doubtful and probably false claims on
their
> web site, that is one thing, but for you to post this blatantly on my
project
> page really does me a disservice and is not helping promote true Open Source
> software, but rather promoting a commercial organization.
>
> Please remove the Zmanda false adds from my project page.
>
> I have copied this request to the Bacula email lists and encourage the
Bacula
> users to express their opinions on this subject in a responsible way.
> ==========
>
> Best regards,
>
> Kern
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