Gilberto,

At 11:05 AM 3/22/2005, you wrote:
>>So would Marx, I would think.<<

Not really, since Mirza Abu'l-Fadl's criterion included a belief in God.

>>And wouldn't someone like Noah who didn't even convert all his family, and 
>>not many (or any) people outside of his family even after preaching for a 
>>very long time be a counter-example on the other side.<<

Sure, but I was trying to pick unconventional examples in order to show the 
weakness of his position.

>>I don't see how you can judge spiritual truths by the worldly institutional 
>>success of the individuals or groups who assert them.<<

I agree. 

With regards, Mark A. Foster • http://markfoster.net • [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger." -- Abbott "Abbie" Hoffman 


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