---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gilberto Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Jul 9, 2006 9:39 PM Subject: Re: delivering wives in Bible texts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 7/9/06, Richard H. Gravelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > But do you understand why it seems weird? I believe I answered this question on the other list Gilberto.
Actually, since you bring it up, it really wasn't cool to move the discussion with my name attached from the e-mail list to usenet. Luckily for me I see both forums as e-mails, but even so, you shouldn't have done it.
Allow me however to add that as we know God only through His Manifestation of Himself; and that Point is the Person of the Manifestation, i.e. that physical being is the Point of the Revelation of God. "Were any of the all-embracing Manifestations of God to declare: "I am God," He, verily, speaketh the truth, and no doubt attacheth thereto.
There have been Muslim saints who engage in a certain poetic license and have made similar statements but there are certain qualifications put on such statements. For it hath
been repeatedly demonstrated that through their Revelation, their attributes and names, the Revelation of God, His names and His attributes, are made manifest in the world.
Yes, the above is the part which really sounds like shirk.
Thus, He hath revealed: "Those shafts were God's, not Thine." And also He saith: "In truth, they who plighted fealty unto Thee, really plighted that fealty unto God." (Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 54)
Yes, but Muslims are more reserved in how those passages of the Quran are read. Especially given the overwhelming emphasis on avoiding shirk and idolatry, especially in the case of its criticisms of Christian attitudes towards Jesus.
> But even before Muhammad and the revelation of the Quran, > Christianity > already had a sophisticated theology which tried to bring together > Jesus' humanity and divinity. How is the Bahai view any different from > what Christians already teach about Jesus?
One must Gilberto, always distinguish between the theology presented by man and the Revelation presented through the Manifestation.
I'm not sure if you understood my point. You had claimed that Islam emphasized Muhammad's humanity because people weren't yet ready to understand the dual notion of humanity/divinity combined which is found in the Bahai faith. But hundreds of years before Muhammad, Christian theologians already had similar ideas so it doesn't make sense to claim that people weren't ready. -G -- "There are no poets" The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by the Johnson County Community College ("JCCC") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu