sir,
 my very sincere apoliogies, and a sincere assurance that there is no 
patronisation, no deamning, no anything other than respect for ur pov in paying 
attentiuon to the fact that ur cv seems to have a math flavour.
   :"I really think you should let the other participants of the thread
speak for themselves"
 it wouild be difficult to stop someone from speaking for themselves. 
 on the other hand, there is speaking for one self, and there is speaking in 
the hopes of establishing some common ground where hearing can occur.
 
:" don't think that it
makes sense for you to grab some phrases from a completely different
conversation, rip them from their context, and respond to things I'm
not sure that any of the previous participanats intended. "
 and thank you for making my point: how there came to be any appearance of 
disunity in what Text of any Dispensation Says about the crucifiction or isaac 
or ishmael.

:"restricted situations where I'd be willing to go
along with a pragmatic notion of truth."
 my dim recall of the scientific method is that there is no other.

:"The true nature of the crucifixion isn't something which can
be setlled by the behavior of Christians 2000 years later."
 not what i said.
 at alll.
 what i was aiming towards was that the Qu'ran Affirms that Underlying Form is 
in the Bible, and points tio persons making correct use of Said Forms.
   :"If you are really trying to communicate something you should put a
little work into saying how you think this analogy applies to the
conversation at hand."
 thank you for for rejecting the idea based on some perceived failure in me.
  :":"I think it is more faithful and more
> appropriate to draw the line between appearance/reality.
> imho that's a false taxonomy.
How?"
   in that reality is >>observed<< through one sense or another, magnified by 
technology or not, and the observation of anything requires its "appearance".
:"My comment about appearance/reality was
specifically about understanding the crucifixion from an Islamic
perspective. "
 yes. and as pointed out, the term "Islamic perspective" does not refer to a 
singularity but is the name of the set of a very large number of perspectives 
all of which have in common acknowledgement of Muhammed, and may have little 
else shared.
   :"I also don't think that Euclidean vs. non-Euclidean geometry
is an issue of appearance vs. reality in the way you seem to be taking
it."
   heard. imho "when" something is "true" and "where" it is true are closely 
related.
   imho the Text is replete with examples of perspectives only being true 
"when" or "where".
   
   
   

 
 
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