The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Susan Maneck <sman...@gmail.com> wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> >> And I agreed that Sunni accounts also mention nepotism. But still, >> Sunnis aren't going to want to libel or back-bite a Companion either.
> You can't libel someone with the truth and nor can you back-bite a > dead person. That depends on the definition. In any case, playing word games is really beside the point. In the Bahai faith (invoking the concept of the sin-covering eye) and in Islam, finding fault with people in different ways is highly discouraged. I would say this is especially true in discussing certain divisive issues in the past. > But I realize that Sunnis consider Uthman one of the > Righteous Caliphs. Ok. > And even the >> worst companion is higher than the best of those who followed. > Regardless of the circumstances of his so-called conversion? > a Muslim is a Muslim is a Muslim. Also according to some, the actual act of seeing the prophet while having iman confers a sort of supernatural grace on a person which lifts their station. > In the >> case of Muwayia, first of all, he isn't responsible for what his >> parents did. > First off, he opposed Muhammad himself as an adult. If he is not > responsible for what he did because of his parents he is not > responsible for his conversion either which he was pressured to do by > his father. Umar (ra) also opposed Muhammad (saaws) as an adult. People are allowed to change. > Secondly, he also participated in the transmission of the >> Quran so if you are going to say nasty things about him it has >> implications for the integrity of the text you say you believe in. > > Is that the reason you suggest that all the worst Companions are > better than everyone else, because otherwise it would call the Qur'an > into question? Sorry, but needing something to be true, doesn't make > it so. I'm not really interested in arguing the point or trying to convince you. I'm just trying to convey the/a Sunni view. The Shia narrative tends to totally demonize certain characters who were Muslim. The Sunni view typically tries to tell the same story in less stark terms. __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-533526-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
