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I forgot to add the above links. Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:15, Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_same-sex_marriage > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_religious_groups > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_denominations_in_Judaism > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_Christian_denominations > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT-related_organizations > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism_and_LGBT_topics > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_that_support_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_and_religion_topics > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_homosexuality > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenderism_and_religion > > Also, I have a question about non-Bahais in a Bahai society, if such a thing > will exist given the monopolistic stranglehold just four religions virtually > have on the world religious market. > > Would non-Bahais be bound by Baha'i laws or not? > > Why should non-Bahais care about Baha'i laws? > > How should public policy be decided in current societies whether Jewish, > Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 16, 2013, at 17:10, Gary Selchert <ebedeyn...@aol.com> wrote: > >> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> Stephen seems to want desperately to flush us out of the underbrush on the >> issue of all things LGBT. Clearly, the public Baha’i rules about gayness are >> at odds with the customs of our (western) society in much the same way that >> Baha’i rules concerning alcoholic beverages are at odds with the customs of >> our society. They drink; we are prohibited from drinking. We are prohibited >> from doing what gay folks do. Personally, I would way rather have a drink of >> something strong than do what gay folks do, but that’s just me. I was born a >> heterosexual and I know that no one born with my particular preferences >> would never be inclined to choose to pursue same-sex physical/romantic >> relationships. Personally, I would be leery of encouraging a gay person or a >> devoted aficionado of microbreweries to enroll as a Baha’i, (no dang it; I >> am not comparing homosexuality to alcoholism; I am comparing it to regular >> social drinking!) regardless of their beliefs or other sterling qualities. >> Folks with full knowledge of the rules who do enroll as Baha’is despite >> their incompatible preferences (how many of us can truthfully deny a >> predilection for back-biting?) have a ready-made spiritual battle to fight. >> >> Having said all that, the history of religions is replete with examples of >> the power of desuetude. Meditate on the laws of Deuteronomy chapters 21 and >> 22. Ponder deeply the issues of Acts 4:32 – 5:13. Remember fondly Matthew >> 19:3 – 12 and all the fun the churches have had down through the centuries >> with issues of marriage and divorce. >> >> Some laws are specifically abrogated; others just fall into desuetude as >> they become unhelpful and create barriers to inclusion and the salvation of >> the masses. Obdurate repudiation of desuetude turns great religions into >> tiny separatist cults. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desuetude >> >> But perhaps all of that is ancient history and irrelevant in the New Order. >> Perhaps the law is engraved in stone until the next Manifestation. I don’t >> know. I will watch from the next world with mild curiosity about how our >> great-great grandchildren work it all out. But I suspect not too many >> generations will pass before Baha’is think about homosexuality in much the >> same way that Catholics think about contraception. >> >> But who knows? >> >> GS >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> >> To: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> >> Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 11:15 am >> Subject: Re: Against nature... >> >> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> Opps, needed to correct one of the links. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenderism_and_religion >> >> The other redirected to this one anyways. >> >> Don, what if the influence of all secular progressivism went away, what >> would society look like? >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_religion >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism >> >> What if America or whatever else society you want to insert instead, became >> desecularized... >> >> And became a Unitarian Universalists society? >> A Neo Druidist society? >> A Wiccan society? >> A Raëlian society? >> An Eckist society? >> A Liberal Hindu society? >> A Liberal Mahayana Buddhist society? >> A Liberal Muslim society? >> A Liberal Jewish society? >> A Liberal Christian society? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 15, 2013, at 16:10, Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> The Baha'i Studies Listserve >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_same-sex_marriage >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_religious_groups >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_denominations_in_Judaism >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_Christian_denominations >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT-related_organizations >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism_and_LGBT_topics >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_that_support_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_and_religion_topics >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_homosexuality >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_and_religion >>> >>> Don, you seem to think its only because of secularism that everyone isn't >>> on the same page you? >>> Read all the above Wikipedia articles on the various religious and >>> theological viewpoints. __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-697508-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
