Well, it will take a revolution - and it's my thinking that the only 
thing that will bring the american people to that point is an extreme 
financial crisis.  So I say bring it on.  Let it come... and yes, I know 
that sounds crazy, but it can only be an improvement.  Our government 
needs to be revamped, and in my opinion we need socialism. 

Lindy Greene wrote:
> Perennial war - that is the key. There will never be an end to it. 
> Stealing oil and reaping dividends from "defense contracts" is the game.
>  
>  
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Abu Zahrin Abu Bakar <mailto:[email protected]>
>     *To:* [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:22 AM
>     *Subject:* RE: [bangla-vision] Obama escalates US commitment to
>     Afghanistan/Pakistan war
>
>     spending in billions and with thousands of combat  troops just to
>     find and to destroy
>      Al Qaeda  safe havens in this versatile and rugged terrain, will
>     be just impossible
>     militarily as history had proved the impossible, but if you want 
>     more Americans and NATO
>     forces to be killed ,if this strategy is to be  executed , then ,
>     let it be , and prepare more coffins
>     to be flown back to America or Europe.
>     And  if , when you enter Pakistan , is  just what you did to
>     Cambodia after failing in Vietnam
>     hunting for vietcong fighters , you left Vietnam in defeat,  the
>     most non  professional  defeat
>     and therefore do not repeat this military blunder based on the
>     political decision being advised by
>     war -inventors, so that the military industrial complexes and all
>     their systems will be in motion,
>     to the benefit of certain people but to the sufferings of many
>     more people due to destructions
>     by bombings and  the effects of the latest weapons technology to
>     kill human beings.
>     Are we born on earth just to kill men?
>     reflect , think and reverse the decision ,as space and time is
>     with the President
>     . who said but  did not follow what he had said
>     No American troops in Iraq after 2011 but what the hell are 50,
>     000 troops left behind
>     to guard the Iraqi oil fields and the long pipelines?
>     This is itself are asking for the ever;asting war in Iraq as long
>     as American troops are there.
>     and so will be in Afghanistan .
>     time will be the witness.
>
>     zahrin
>      
>      
>
>
>
>
>
>     To: [email protected]; [email protected];
>     [email protected];
>     [email protected]; [email protected];
>     [email protected]
>     CC: [email protected]
>     From: [email protected]
>     Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:12:07 -0800
>     Subject: [bangla-vision] Obama escalates US commitment to
>     Afghanistan/Pakistan war
>
>     (Query, how long will it be before US troops enter Pakistan? One
>     wonders
>     whether the Obama team has thought through the consequences, SR)
>
>     Obama Strategy Deepens U.S. Commitment to Afghanistan, Pakistan
>
>     Plan Aims to Dismantle Al Qaeda
>
>     By Spencer Ackerman
>     The Washington Independent
>     March 27, 2009
>
>     The Obama administration recast the seven-year-long war in
>     Afghanistan on
>     Friday with a deepened commitment to both Afghanistan and neighboring
>     Pakistan.
>
>     Announcing the release of a strategy deliberated by the
>     administration for
>     the past 60 days, President Barack Obama said the objective for
>     the United
>     States and its allies was "to disrupt, dismantle and defeat al
>     Qaeda in
>     Pakistan and Afghanistan, and to prevent their return to either
>     country in
>     the future." To that end, he pledged to send an additional 4,000
>     troops to
>     Afghanistan to train Afghan security forces, on top of the 17,000
>     he has
>     already ordered to deploy. A complement of civilian advisers from
>     the State
>     Department, USAID and other agencies that a White House aide said
>     totalled
>     in the "hundreds" will join them to help strengthen Afghan
>     governance and
>     economic development to cleave the Afghan population from an
>     insurgency that
>     has gained in strength for the past two years. The larger part of that
>     strengthening will be an invigorated effort to expand the size and
>     capabilities of the Afghan army and police force.
>
>     Significantly, Obama identified the source of the al-Qaeda problem as
>     emanating from Pakistan, where for years, U.S. intelligence
>     assessments have
>     judged that the jihadist organization has constituted a safe haven
>     in tribal
>     areas largely out of the control of the Pakistani government.
>     Obama offered
>     a wide-ranging package of economic and diplomatic support for the
>     government
>     of Asif Ali Zardari to help Zardari confront militants, some of
>     which are
>     linked to al-Qaeda and many of whom strike U.S. and Afghan forces
>     across the
>     porous border with Afghanistan, who have made advances in taking
>     territory
>     away from Pakistani forces in recent months. Richard Holbrooke,
>     the special
>     envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, said the Pakistanis had given the
>     administration a "red line" against the deployment of U.S. troops in
>     Pakistan, although the new strategy devotes an unspecified number
>     of troops
>     to train Pakistan's special operators and the Frontier Corps
>     soldiers whom
>     Zardari relies on to conduct counterinsurgency operations in the
>     tribal
>     areas.
>
>     "That is a cause that could not be more just," Obama said.
>
>     As the review has proceeded, many in Washington and foreign
>     capitals have
>     wondered whether the administration would scale back the aims of
>     the war,
>     which under the Bush administration were rarely defined. A
>     delegation of
>     Afghan cabinet ministers that visited Washington last month
>     sounded warnings
>     against seeking "reductionist" goals in their country. Whether or
>     not the
>     goals have been scaled back, the administration forcefully
>     rejected the idea
>     that they were reducing the U.S. commitment to the two countries.
>     "There is
>     nothing minimalist about this approach," said Bruce Riedel, a
>     former CIA
>     official who chaired the administration's strategy review.
>
>     "What we're doing is stepping up to more fully resource a
>     counterinsurgency
>     strategy in Afghanistan," said Michele Flournoy, the undersecretary of
>     defense for policy, who co-chaired the review. "It is very much a
>     counterinsurgency approach towards" the longer-term goal of
>     "disrupting and
>     defeating al Qaeda and its associates."
>
>     Denis McDonough, the National Security Council's director of strategic
>     communications, offered a definitions of those terms.
>     "Disrupting," he said
>     in a conference call after Obama's speech, means preventing
>     al-Qaeda from
>     "carr[ying] out" plans to attack the U.S. at home. "Defeating" means a
>     longer-view approach to countering "the violent, hopeless future" that
>     al-Qaeda offers, though "different opportunities available to
>     Pakistanis and
>     Afghans and others." But he added that the U.S. "need[s] to shut
>     that safe
>     haven down" that al-Qaeda maintains in Pakistan.
>
>     "The president has made very clear for years now that there's a
>     hardcore
>     [membership of al-Qaeda] that there's no reasoning with and no
>     political
>     process for," McDonough said. "At the end of the day, they have to
>     be met by
>     force alone."
>
>     Beyond that hard core, though, the administration intends to
>     promote efforts
>     led by the Afghan leadership to fracture the insurgency through
>     outreach
>     programs that hope to reconcile insurgent fighters with the
>     government. The
>     Afghan government expects has said it believes that "mid-level"
>     insurgent
>     commanders can be reconciled through negotiation and economic
>     inducements
>     would deprive most insurgent foot-soldiers of their motivation for
>     fighting.
>     Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair estimated on
>     Thursday that up
>     to two-thirds of the insurgents were potentially reconcilable.
>
>     A senior British diplomat acknowledged in an interview that
>     efforts so far
>     at reconciling insurgents in Afghanistan had failed, but placed
>     the blame
>     for that failure on insufficient clarity and coordination between
>     the Afghan
>     government and the Bush administration, which did not devote
>     resources to
>     reconciliation, although the Afghan government has had talks with
>     insurgent
>     groups for years. "You have to get into a position where someone
>     who wants
>     to reconcile from the Taliban knows who to ring up, what door to
>     knock on,"
>     the diplomat said, arguing that the U.S., the U.K., the United
>     Nations and
>     NATO should work rapidly to support the Afghan government in
>     setting up
>     mechanisms for reconciliation. The Obama administration's strategy
>     calls for
>     governors in every Afghan province to estabish reconciliation efforts.
>
>     "It's better to make sure the plumbing works now, so that when the
>     momentum
>     turns, people know what do to," the British diplomat said.
>     "Reconciliation
>     has to be Afghan-led, and we cannot afford to be perceived as
>     being able to
>     force the Afghan govt to do anything we want them to do."
>
>     Holbrooke told the "News Hour's" Margaret Warner on Friday that the
>     prospects for reconciliation were promising. "The majority of people
>     fighting for the Taliban are not fighting for the precepts of
>     returning to a
>     14th Century caliphate or for Mullah Omar's precepts," he said.
>     "We have to
>     find ways to give these people alternatives - jobs in the agricultural
>     sector. Make them understand that they've been misled by Mullah
>     Omar and his
>     core leadership."
>
>     In Pakistan, the administration is constrained by the Pakistani
>     government's
>     refusal to allow U.S. troops into the country. But the CIA, with the
>     complicity of the Pakistani government, maintains a program to fly
>     missile-equipped unmanned aerial vehicles from Pakistani territory
>     for use
>     against Pakistani insurgents. CIA Director Leon Panetta recently told
>     reporters that the drone program would not end, despite concerns
>     that an
>     overreliance on drone attacks risks alienating the Pakistani populace.
>     Additionally, Defense Secretary Bob Gates told the Pentagon TV
>     channel that
>     he does not "anticipate that U.S. troops would be going into
>     Pakistan" to go
>     after Osama bin Laden, which is short of a categorical refusal, a
>     point
>     first noticed by Wired's Noah Shachtman.
>
>     Some in the administration are skeptical that the Pakistanis will
>     meet their
>     commitments under the new strategy. "You have people there who
>     just lie to
>     our face, like Zardari, who just lies to us," said one official who
>     requested anonymity, referring to the Pakistani president.
>     "Honestly, I
>     don't believe there's a war going on in the tribal areas. The
>     Pakistanis
>     tell us that, but they're just baldfaced lies." The official
>     believes that
>     U.S. diplomats in Pakistan accept Pakistani claims of maximal
>     warfighting
>     efforts at face value: "They don't speak Urdu, they don't speak
>     Pashto, and
>     they eat it all up."
>
>     Army Gen. David Petraeus, the commander of U.S. forces in the
>     Middle East
>     and South Asia, said he has discussed the Pakistani intelligence
>     services'
>     former and perhaps current support for the Taliban with its
>     director and
>     with the chief of staff of the Pakistani Army. "It's a topic that
>     is of
>     enormous importance," he told the News Hour's Warner, "because if
>     there are
>     links and if those continue and if it undermines the operations,
>     obviously
>     that would be very damaging to the kind of trust we need to build."
>
>     
> http://washingtonindependent.com/36143/obama-strategy-deepens-us-committment
>     
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