Well, it will take a revolution - and it's my thinking that the only thing that will bring the american people to that point is an extreme financial crisis. So I say bring it on. Let it come... and yes, I know that sounds crazy, but it can only be an improvement. Our government needs to be revamped, and in my opinion we need socialism.
Lindy Greene wrote: > Perennial war - that is the key. There will never be an end to it. > Stealing oil and reaping dividends from "defense contracts" is the game. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Abu Zahrin Abu Bakar <mailto:[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:22 AM > *Subject:* RE: [bangla-vision] Obama escalates US commitment to > Afghanistan/Pakistan war > > spending in billions and with thousands of combat troops just to > find and to destroy > Al Qaeda safe havens in this versatile and rugged terrain, will > be just impossible > militarily as history had proved the impossible, but if you want > more Americans and NATO > forces to be killed ,if this strategy is to be executed , then , > let it be , and prepare more coffins > to be flown back to America or Europe. > And if , when you enter Pakistan , is just what you did to > Cambodia after failing in Vietnam > hunting for vietcong fighters , you left Vietnam in defeat, the > most non professional defeat > and therefore do not repeat this military blunder based on the > political decision being advised by > war -inventors, so that the military industrial complexes and all > their systems will be in motion, > to the benefit of certain people but to the sufferings of many > more people due to destructions > by bombings and the effects of the latest weapons technology to > kill human beings. > Are we born on earth just to kill men? > reflect , think and reverse the decision ,as space and time is > with the President > . who said but did not follow what he had said > No American troops in Iraq after 2011 but what the hell are 50, > 000 troops left behind > to guard the Iraqi oil fields and the long pipelines? > This is itself are asking for the ever;asting war in Iraq as long > as American troops are there. > and so will be in Afghanistan . > time will be the witness. > > zahrin > > > > > > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected] > CC: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:12:07 -0800 > Subject: [bangla-vision] Obama escalates US commitment to > Afghanistan/Pakistan war > > (Query, how long will it be before US troops enter Pakistan? One > wonders > whether the Obama team has thought through the consequences, SR) > > Obama Strategy Deepens U.S. Commitment to Afghanistan, Pakistan > > Plan Aims to Dismantle Al Qaeda > > By Spencer Ackerman > The Washington Independent > March 27, 2009 > > The Obama administration recast the seven-year-long war in > Afghanistan on > Friday with a deepened commitment to both Afghanistan and neighboring > Pakistan. > > Announcing the release of a strategy deliberated by the > administration for > the past 60 days, President Barack Obama said the objective for > the United > States and its allies was "to disrupt, dismantle and defeat al > Qaeda in > Pakistan and Afghanistan, and to prevent their return to either > country in > the future." To that end, he pledged to send an additional 4,000 > troops to > Afghanistan to train Afghan security forces, on top of the 17,000 > he has > already ordered to deploy. A complement of civilian advisers from > the State > Department, USAID and other agencies that a White House aide said > totalled > in the "hundreds" will join them to help strengthen Afghan > governance and > economic development to cleave the Afghan population from an > insurgency that > has gained in strength for the past two years. The larger part of that > strengthening will be an invigorated effort to expand the size and > capabilities of the Afghan army and police force. > > Significantly, Obama identified the source of the al-Qaeda problem as > emanating from Pakistan, where for years, U.S. intelligence > assessments have > judged that the jihadist organization has constituted a safe haven > in tribal > areas largely out of the control of the Pakistani government. > Obama offered > a wide-ranging package of economic and diplomatic support for the > government > of Asif Ali Zardari to help Zardari confront militants, some of > which are > linked to al-Qaeda and many of whom strike U.S. and Afghan forces > across the > porous border with Afghanistan, who have made advances in taking > territory > away from Pakistani forces in recent months. Richard Holbrooke, > the special > envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, said the Pakistanis had given the > administration a "red line" against the deployment of U.S. troops in > Pakistan, although the new strategy devotes an unspecified number > of troops > to train Pakistan's special operators and the Frontier Corps > soldiers whom > Zardari relies on to conduct counterinsurgency operations in the > tribal > areas. > > "That is a cause that could not be more just," Obama said. > > As the review has proceeded, many in Washington and foreign > capitals have > wondered whether the administration would scale back the aims of > the war, > which under the Bush administration were rarely defined. A > delegation of > Afghan cabinet ministers that visited Washington last month > sounded warnings > against seeking "reductionist" goals in their country. Whether or > not the > goals have been scaled back, the administration forcefully > rejected the idea > that they were reducing the U.S. commitment to the two countries. > "There is > nothing minimalist about this approach," said Bruce Riedel, a > former CIA > official who chaired the administration's strategy review. > > "What we're doing is stepping up to more fully resource a > counterinsurgency > strategy in Afghanistan," said Michele Flournoy, the undersecretary of > defense for policy, who co-chaired the review. "It is very much a > counterinsurgency approach towards" the longer-term goal of > "disrupting and > defeating al Qaeda and its associates." > > Denis McDonough, the National Security Council's director of strategic > communications, offered a definitions of those terms. > "Disrupting," he said > in a conference call after Obama's speech, means preventing > al-Qaeda from > "carr[ying] out" plans to attack the U.S. at home. "Defeating" means a > longer-view approach to countering "the violent, hopeless future" that > al-Qaeda offers, though "different opportunities available to > Pakistanis and > Afghans and others." But he added that the U.S. "need[s] to shut > that safe > haven down" that al-Qaeda maintains in Pakistan. > > "The president has made very clear for years now that there's a > hardcore > [membership of al-Qaeda] that there's no reasoning with and no > political > process for," McDonough said. "At the end of the day, they have to > be met by > force alone." > > Beyond that hard core, though, the administration intends to > promote efforts > led by the Afghan leadership to fracture the insurgency through > outreach > programs that hope to reconcile insurgent fighters with the > government. The > Afghan government expects has said it believes that "mid-level" > insurgent > commanders can be reconciled through negotiation and economic > inducements > would deprive most insurgent foot-soldiers of their motivation for > fighting. > Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair estimated on > Thursday that up > to two-thirds of the insurgents were potentially reconcilable. > > A senior British diplomat acknowledged in an interview that > efforts so far > at reconciling insurgents in Afghanistan had failed, but placed > the blame > for that failure on insufficient clarity and coordination between > the Afghan > government and the Bush administration, which did not devote > resources to > reconciliation, although the Afghan government has had talks with > insurgent > groups for years. "You have to get into a position where someone > who wants > to reconcile from the Taliban knows who to ring up, what door to > knock on," > the diplomat said, arguing that the U.S., the U.K., the United > Nations and > NATO should work rapidly to support the Afghan government in > setting up > mechanisms for reconciliation. The Obama administration's strategy > calls for > governors in every Afghan province to estabish reconciliation efforts. > > "It's better to make sure the plumbing works now, so that when the > momentum > turns, people know what do to," the British diplomat said. > "Reconciliation > has to be Afghan-led, and we cannot afford to be perceived as > being able to > force the Afghan govt to do anything we want them to do." > > Holbrooke told the "News Hour's" Margaret Warner on Friday that the > prospects for reconciliation were promising. "The majority of people > fighting for the Taliban are not fighting for the precepts of > returning to a > 14th Century caliphate or for Mullah Omar's precepts," he said. > "We have to > find ways to give these people alternatives - jobs in the agricultural > sector. Make them understand that they've been misled by Mullah > Omar and his > core leadership." > > In Pakistan, the administration is constrained by the Pakistani > government's > refusal to allow U.S. troops into the country. But the CIA, with the > complicity of the Pakistani government, maintains a program to fly > missile-equipped unmanned aerial vehicles from Pakistani territory > for use > against Pakistani insurgents. CIA Director Leon Panetta recently told > reporters that the drone program would not end, despite concerns > that an > overreliance on drone attacks risks alienating the Pakistani populace. > Additionally, Defense Secretary Bob Gates told the Pentagon TV > channel that > he does not "anticipate that U.S. troops would be going into > Pakistan" to go > after Osama bin Laden, which is short of a categorical refusal, a > point > first noticed by Wired's Noah Shachtman. > > Some in the administration are skeptical that the Pakistanis will > meet their > commitments under the new strategy. "You have people there who > just lie to > our face, like Zardari, who just lies to us," said one official who > requested anonymity, referring to the Pakistani president. > "Honestly, I > don't believe there's a war going on in the tribal areas. The > Pakistanis > tell us that, but they're just baldfaced lies." The official > believes that > U.S. diplomats in Pakistan accept Pakistani claims of maximal > warfighting > efforts at face value: "They don't speak Urdu, they don't speak > Pashto, and > they eat it all up." > > Army Gen. David Petraeus, the commander of U.S. forces in the > Middle East > and South Asia, said he has discussed the Pakistani intelligence > services' > former and perhaps current support for the Taliban with its > director and > with the chief of staff of the Pakistani Army. "It's a topic that > is of > enormous importance," he told the News Hour's Warner, "because if > there are > links and if those continue and if it undermines the operations, > obviously > that would be very damaging to the kind of trust we need to build." > > > http://washingtonindependent.com/36143/obama-strategy-deepens-us-committment > > <http://washingtonindependent.com/36143/obama-strategy-deepens-us-committment> > -to-afghanistan-pakistan > > This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from > http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm > <http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Make the most of what you can do on your PC and the Web, just the > way you want. 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