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HTH, Sidu. http://c42.in http://rubymonk.com On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 5:47 PM, pooja voladoddi <[email protected]> wrote: > Guys, I'm new to the group.subscribed after a couple of people pointed > towards you guys on twitter...here's the thing: I need guidance to properly > understand python -i like coding but have minimalistic knowledge of any > particular language.have only studied c/c++ at college level and not in > depth.so, any pointers for a starter from the passionate here? > On 3 Nov 2011 16:30, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Send BangPypers mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of BangPypers digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: [chennaipy 1126] [XPost][Slightly OT] Could you share >> your experiences about Python Freelance programming, from a >> programmer's perspective (Sidu Ponnappa) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 16:28:19 +0530 >> From: Sidu Ponnappa <[email protected]> >> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] [chennaipy 1126] [XPost][Slightly OT] Could >> you share your experiences about Python Freelance programming, from >> a >> programmer's perspective >> Message-ID: >> <CAHQkf6Shud_4xCzM=Dd-Hf2xx=fwqVpda1HqO+FBTqtjY+AG=a...@mail.gmail.com >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> > We have a rather good work environment. But trying to convince >> > freshers of this is close to impossible, as they have inflated ideas >> > about what the IT industry is really like. >> This is one of the reasons we only hire proven hackers from among >> freshers - they already value things we do to. >> >> Otherwise, we prefer folks that have spent a year or two in Big IT and >> are tired of the politics, back biting and overhead associated with >> it. As importantly, they no longer find a big campus with 10k people >> on it such a cool idea after having been stuck in one (and having >> spent a couple of hours a day travelling to get there). >> >> TL;DR - you may actually want to target folks around you at the IT >> park rather than freshers. They'll be more amenable to what you're >> pitching to them. >> >> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Rajeev J Sebastian >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Sidu Ponnappa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Do you do your tests in Python, or whatever language the fresher >> >>> knows? So far, we have not received a single resume mentioning Python. >> >> Any object oriented language the candidate is comfortable with is fine >> >> by us. Unit tests are, however, mandatory. TDD is a huge plus. >> >> >> >>> Question is, how much to pay? >> >> Figure out who your competition in the hiring space is (this could be >> >> very very different from your business competitors). Find out how much >> >> they pay. Then do your best to pay more. For us, this means companies >> >> like ThoughtWorks, Amazon and co. We try to pay salaries that are >> >> close to these firms (though matching Amazon is still slightly beyond >> >> us for now). >> >> >> >>> From the freshers point of view though, their friends making insane >> >>> salaries at MNCs always make them dissatisfied. Any recommendations? >> >> Yes - pay more than the MNCs or at least get close and compensate for >> >> the delta with a brilliant work environment. Unfortunately, I have no >> >> better answer than this. Folks typically evaluate a prospective >> >> employer on salary, work environment (including how awesome >> >> prospective colleagues are, how much they can learn, and how >> >> transparent and honest the organisations is) and the work itself. >> >> >> >> There is no magic formula that allows you to hire better people while >> >> paying significantly less than your competitors, but you can usually >> >> swing it by being somewhere close on salary and doing better than them >> >> on the last two parameters. Honestly, a small company that can't >> >> trounce an MNC on work environment is doing something seriously wrong. >> > >> > We have a rather good work environment. But trying to convince >> > freshers of this is close to impossible, as they have inflated ideas >> > about what the IT industry is really like. >> > >> >> >> >>> There is also the tug of "Bangalore". >> >> Identify why this is the case and look to plug the gaps. If the >> >> attractiveness lies in the lifestyle, then you may wish to open up a >> >> branch in Bangalore. I should warn you though that on the hiring >> >> front, things are no better here :) >> > >> > Thanks Sidu. All of this is really good advice. >> > >> > Regards >> > Rajeev J Sebastian >> > _______________________________________________ >> > BangPypers mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BangPypers mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> >> >> End of BangPypers Digest, Vol 51, Issue 7 >> ***************************************** >> > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > _______________________________________________ BangPypers mailing list [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
