Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-06-24.
2011-06-24 07:39:46+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: I'm planning to switch cardstori.es to cardstories.org today - any objection or thing I should be careful about? 2011-06-24 07:40:05+0000 chr15m (chr15m) is now online 2011-06-24 07:40:13+0000 <antoviaque> hi chr15m : ) 2011-06-24 07:40:13+0000 <chr15m> good morning, sorry i am late. 2011-06-24 07:40:23+0000 <chr15m> i am just reading #178 2011-06-24 07:40:32+0000 <antoviaque> np, I was waiting with my morning coffe, could be worse ;p 2011-06-24 07:41:02+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-06-24 07:42:21+0000 <antoviaque> I let you have a good look, when you're finished let me know if it's ok and your estimate 2011-06-24 07:44:46+0000 <antoviaque> chr15m: also, I don't know if you're reading the forums already, so putting it here - http://farsides.com/members/antoviaque/activity/941/ => if you can say if the meeting timing would be good for you, eventually with alternative dates/times if you're unavailable at that time, that would be great : ) 2011-06-24 07:47:55+0000 <chr15m> antoviaque: this sunday meeting presents a dilemma for me: a) normally I don't work on the weekend. b) normally I would charge a client my hourly rate for meeting/consultation. 2011-06-24 07:48:56+0000 <antoviaque> chr15m: it can be tricky to find good timings to do meetings yep, between timezones and days worked 2011-06-24 07:49:06+0000 <antoviaque> which vary from person to person 2011-06-24 07:50:38+0000 <antoviaque> what we found out lately is that sunday is one of the rare days where everyone can usually be there - not sure if it could be another day, but you can try to propose other dates 2011-06-24 07:51:34+0000 <antoviaque> for charging, this is an interesting point - you're the first to raise it actually 2011-06-24 07:52:48+0000 <antoviaque> it's true that there is no reason why this shouldn't be a task on its own actually 2011-06-24 07:53:32+0000 <antoviaque> on the other side, usually the involvement during the meeting is minimal, since it's text-based so usually people do something at the same time 2011-06-24 07:54:03+0000 <chr15m> I guess it ties into a larger question of whether my style of working as a contractor fits with the working philosophy of Farsides 2011-06-24 07:54:12+0000 <antoviaque> but if you want you can raise the point in the comments, we can discuss it 2011-06-24 07:54:41+0000 <antoviaque> yup - it's neither frelancing or being an employee - it's somewhere in between 2011-06-24 07:54:52+0000 <chr15m> I am used to keeping very exact records of all hours I work and then billing a client for those exact hours. 2011-06-24 07:58:20+0000 <antoviaque> yep - ideally it should be like that for the tasks themselves, except that this number of hours is agreed beforehand rather than set at the end 2011-06-24 07:59:59+0000 <antoviaque> for the things around the tasks, like communication, it's usually not put as tasks, as it is usually minimal in volume, and usually corresponds to the time a freelance would spend looking for & acquiring new clients 2011-06-24 08:00:20+0000 <antoviaque> but again those can be discussed 2011-06-24 08:02:01+0000 <chr15m> Well I guess I should try another task and we can see how it goes. 2011-06-24 08:03:06+0000 <antoviaque> yup - let me know if anything feels unfair, I'm happy to discuss it 2011-06-24 08:10:25+0000 <chr15m> Ok I am starting to wrap my head around this. 2011-06-24 08:11:17+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-06-24 08:12:55+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-06-24 08:14:31+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-06-24 08:38:53+0000 <dachary> hi 2011-06-24 08:39:06+0000 <chr15m> hi dachary 2011-06-24 08:39:34+0000 <chr15m> dachary: in ticket 178 the code in poll.py in method touch() looks a bit different from what is in the ticket 2011-06-24 08:39:47+0000 <chr15m> dachary: did you refactor that or is the ticket suggesting that i refactor it to look like the ticket? 2011-06-24 08:40:02+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-06-24 08:43:00+0000 <dachary> chr15m: the touch code show how it could be. I added it to clarify what I meant in the comment. 2011-06-24 08:43:10+0000 <chr15m> dachary: ok cool, thanks 2011-06-24 08:44:03+0000 <dachary> I'm trying to keep the long poll logic simple, both server and client side. 2011-06-24 08:44:57+0000 <dachary> Adding the chat requires more complexity than I would like but I don't see a way around it. Comments are welcome :-) 2011-06-24 08:45:07+0000 <chr15m> dachary: ok 2011-06-24 08:47:05+0000 <chr15m> antoviaque: where do i post an estimate? 2011-06-24 08:47:14+0000 <chr15m> antoviaque: should i discuss here first? 2011-06-24 08:47:42+0000 <antoviaque> both : ) we agree on it here and then you post it on the ticket 2011-06-24 08:48:00+0000 <chr15m> antoviaque: ok 2011-06-24 08:48:37+0000 <chr15m> so basically this task requires writing a plugin and modifying the core of the long polling mechanism 2011-06-24 08:48:44+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-06-24 08:48:46+0000 <chr15m> the shortest plugin is the auth plugin 2011-06-24 08:48:50+0000 <chr15m> 154 LOC 2011-06-24 08:48:56+0000 <chr15m> do we know how long that one took to develop? 2011-06-24 08:49:33+0000 <antoviaque> dachary did the one currently used, not sure how long it took 2011-06-24 08:50:21+0000 <antoviaque> it was during the specification of plugins, so it was in the middle of other things 2011-06-24 08:51:20+0000 <chr15m> including testing and bugfixing my guess is three days 2011-06-24 08:51:40+0000 <chr15m> maybe two is dachary is very fast :) 2011-06-24 08:51:40+0000 <dachary> chr15m: my gut feeling is that the chat plugin as described, including learing how the plugin work & writing the tests should not be more than 4 hours work and probably less. 2011-06-24 08:51:54+0000 <chr15m> dachary: heh ok 2011-06-24 08:52:04+0000 <chr15m> dachary: that seems quite optimistic to me 2011-06-24 08:53:14+0000 <dachary> chr15m: the modification of the core require between 4 to 8 hours. It would be 4 hours if it goes as suggested in the ticket. But it may be 8 if a new simpler idea is discovered in the process, which is likely. 2011-06-24 08:53:49+0000 <chr15m> dachary: these estimates do not sound reasonable to me. 2011-06-24 08:54:11+0000 <chr15m> dachary: so I guess my working methodology is looking less compatible with Farsides. :) 2011-06-24 08:54:29+0000 <antoviaque> chr15m: ? 2011-06-24 08:54:34+0000 <dachary> chr15m: these are my estimates, not yours. 2011-06-24 08:54:44+0000 <dachary> you are not bound by them. 2011-06-24 08:55:06+0000 <antoviaque> this is a discussion, I don't think there is a need to jump to conclusions 2011-06-24 08:55:16+0000 <chr15m> dachary: sure, but since my estimate would be on a different order of magnitude i think it's clear that we are on a very different page. 2011-06-24 08:55:30+0000 <chr15m> antoviaque: sorry to jump to conclusions! you are right. 2011-06-24 08:55:30+0000 <antoviaque> especially because it's not that different - dachary says 1.5 day, you say 2-3 days 2011-06-24 08:55:48+0000 <chr15m> antoviaque: hmm, that's true. 2011-06-24 08:57:20+0000 <antoviaque> go for something you're comfortable with - and if it ends up being different, we can reestimate it if there is a good reason 2011-06-24 08:59:06+0000 <chr15m> antoviaque: ok, let's say 3 days. i will try to fit the 3 days into the start of next week. is that ok? 2011-06-24 08:59:32+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-06-24 08:59:37+0000 <antoviaque> delivery on Wednesday? 2011-06-24 09:00:29+0000 <chr15m> delivery on Thursday because I will need at least one day in there to satisfy other clients. 2011-06-24 09:00:35+0000 <chr15m> I hope that is ok. 2011-06-24 09:00:40+0000 <antoviaque> good for me 2011-06-24 09:01:53+0000 <chr15m> Ok, great. I am going for the evening walk now. I will start this work Monday. Goodnight all! 2011-06-24 09:02:05+0000 <antoviaque> chr15m: let me know about the meeting too 2011-06-24 09:02:07+0000 <antoviaque> good walk! 2011-06-24 09:04:32+0000 <chr15m> antoviaque: Cheers, I will do. Weekends can't work for me but I will post something. 2011-06-24 10:31:22+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-06-24 10:59:28+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-06-24 11:10:25+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: regarding cardstories.org I think you can point it to the cardstori.es IP address and it will work out of the box. 2011-06-24 11:10:40+0000 <antoviaque> no virtual hosts? 2011-06-24 11:10:44+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2011-06-24 11:12:04+0000 <dachary> there only is one server on the VM and the IP is a dedicated one 2011-06-24 11:13:22+0000 <antoviaque> ok, easy then :D 2011-06-24 11:13:41+0000 <antoviaque> updated the zone file 2011-06-24 11:14:00+0000 <dachary> I updated my /etc/hosts and checked that it works indeed 2011-06-24 11:14:21+0000 <antoviaque> perfect, thanks : ) 2011-06-24 11:14:34+0000 <dachary> I like the "do nothing and it works approach" 2011-06-24 11:15:17+0000 <antoviaque> heheheh 2011-06-24 11:15:30+0000 <antoviaque> rare when it actually happens ;p 2011-06-24 11:46:42+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-06-24 11:50:08+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-06-24 11:53:08+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: hi ! 2011-06-24 11:59:02+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, morning, man! 2011-06-24 12:07:18+0000 <antoviaque> hi arbrandes : ) 2011-06-24 12:08:44+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, hey dude 2011-06-24 12:10:10+0000 <arbrandes> dachary-sama, I'm still stumbling a bit in the dark, can we quickly discuss a few things? 2011-06-24 12:10:26+0000 <antoviaque> ahahah : ) 2011-06-24 12:10:31+0000 <antoviaque> I like this nickname :D 2011-06-24 12:10:53+0000 <arbrandes> Hehehe, yes, Master Dachary to the grasshoppers like me 2011-06-24 12:11:15+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-06-24 12:11:18+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: sure 2011-06-24 12:11:27+0000 <dachary> :-) 2011-06-24 12:11:34+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, so... I'm toying with transforming static/index.html into a django templates/index.html. This is the first thing, do you have anything against it? 2011-06-24 12:11:56+0000 <arbrandes> Or am I completely off base, and the login pages should be maintained separately? 2011-06-24 12:11:59+0000 <dachary> no, it seems like the right thing to do. And it's designed with this in mind. 2011-06-24 12:12:49+0000 <dachary> unless I did wrong the cardstories client should nicely behave when using a DOM element embedded in any kind of page. 2011-06-24 12:13:20+0000 <dachary> All css tags are prefixed with cardstories_ so that they do not conflict with the CSS of the containing application. 2011-06-24 12:13:52+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: the login page is indeed something that the cardstories client need not know about. 2011-06-24 12:14:44+0000 <dachary> s/css tags/css classes/ 2011-06-24 12:14:53+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, yes, that is what I was thinking. At first, I simply move the whole shebang into a django template, but then, after studying a bit more of the structure, it struck me as possibly overkill. 2011-06-24 12:17:06+0000 <arbrandes> In any case, stripping the login stuff out of index.html is relatively easy, I think I'm going to do that now. That will also give me a greater degree of freedom in messing with jquery.cardstories.js, which I'm still very much scared of. ;) 2011-06-24 12:17:39+0000 <arbrandes> *in NOT messing with jquery.cardstories.js 2011-06-24 12:18:34+0000 <arbrandes> Next question: 2011-06-24 12:19:51+0000 <arbrandes> Django itself was not designed to serve static media; it wholly relies on having a separate URL for it. At the very least, this should be something like "cardstori.es/static/". 2011-06-24 12:20:16+0000 <dachary> reading 2011-06-24 12:21:14+0000 <arbrandes> Because of this, it would be best to, 1) create a separate directory in /usr/share/cardstories just for static media, such as /usr/share/cardstories/static/[js|css|...] 2011-06-24 12:21:46+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: you should indeed not need to mess with jquery.cardstories.js. If you're stuck call for help and I'll figure something out to make your life easier. 2011-06-24 12:22:02+0000 <arbrandes> 2) All references to static media in the HTML/CSS/JS would need to me changed to refer to this new root, where necessary. Currently, this seems to be just changing stuff in index.html. 2011-06-24 12:22:19+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, roger that on javascript 2011-06-24 12:23:30+0000 <dachary> If it's easier to serve static pages outside of django, it can be done by dedicating /static to it 2011-06-24 12:23:55+0000 <dachary> and apache (or nginx) can serve the static pages without django even knowing about it 2011-06-24 12:24:21+0000 <dachary> /static would contain all images, css, js 2011-06-24 12:24:31+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: am I understanding what you said correctly ? 2011-06-24 12:25:20+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, yes, that is what I'm currently doing, having apache do it. However, I'm worried about the test infrastructure and how it relies on those. I haven't looked at it yet in depth, maybe this change doesn't affect it at all. 2011-06-24 12:25:33+0000 <dachary> the JS tests ? 2011-06-24 12:25:38+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, yes 2011-06-24 12:26:45+0000 <dachary> the JS tests are run independently of django, there is no relationship between JS tests and the enclosing application. 2011-06-24 12:27:48+0000 <arbrandes> Ok 2011-06-24 12:27:52+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: the only thing you need to worry about is how the page look and not how they behave. 2011-06-24 12:28:22+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: http://cardstori.es/?skin shows link that display the game state for every possible situation 2011-06-24 12:28:32+0000 <arbrandes> roger that 2011-06-24 12:29:12+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, yes, I discovered that yesterday. Pretty cool, actually 2011-06-24 12:29:16+0000 <dachary> once you think the django integration works you should make sure the ?skin displays ok too. This is a quick visual check. 2011-06-24 12:29:45+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: it's a must to work with web designers. Otherwise it's a nightmare to get to the relevant page to check the looks it has ;-) 2011-06-24 12:30:58+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: do you need to discuss something else ? 2011-06-24 12:31:05+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, I hadn't thought of it before I found ?skin, but it made complete sense after. It would be a nightmare to have to play a game to its conclusion whenever you needed to tweak the position of an icon 2px to the right, heheheh 2011-06-24 12:31:29+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, not right now, thank you. I'll holler later on if I need you. :) 2011-06-24 12:33:22+0000 <dachary> ok, I'll be online for the next 5 hours. 2011-06-24 12:35:07+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, thanks, noted 2011-06-24 13:09:38+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque and tartarugafeliz, this one is for you guys: how is the design workflow structured? Do the designers actually edit HTML, or is this left to the coders? I ask because integrating with the framework's template engine will probably break just loading up an html in Dreamweaver. 2011-06-24 13:39:41+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: I can answer this question ;-) I did all the CSS/HTML integration. tartarugafeliz provides mockups and sliced images only. If you change the CSS/HTML you will not interfere with her work. 2011-06-24 13:42:51+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-06-24 13:43:40+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, thanks, one less preoccupation :) 2011-06-24 13:44:03+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ups sorry arbrandes I wasn't here 2011-06-24 13:44:08+0000 <tartarugafeliz> thank you dachary 2011-06-24 13:44:33+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, no problem, all is well that ends well :) 2011-06-24 13:44:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-06-24 14:05:13+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, regarding indentation: I see some html lines with 4 spaces, some with 2 (predominantly), and some tabs. What's the standard, and can I fix the rest? 2011-06-24 14:06:43+0000 <arbrandes> Same with javascript, btw... Is it a "after 4 indentations use 2 spaces instead of 4"? 2011-06-24 14:09:43+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: there is no indentation standard for HTML. As long as it looks properly indented, I'm fine with everything. 2011-06-24 14:10:30+0000 <dachary> Regarding javascript it's a little confusing because people tend to use different indenting modes and it's difficult to keep something consistent. 2011-06-24 14:10:48+0000 <dachary> It would be good to have a consistent indentiation in javascript though. 2011-06-24 14:10:53+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, ok, I'll just stick to what looks best in context. 2011-06-24 14:11:31+0000 * antoviaque is getting familiar with django today 2011-06-24 14:12:51+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, you can look at https://gitorious.org/~arbrandes/cardstories/arbrandes-cardstories/trees/django-auth to see what I'm doing with it. 2011-06-24 14:12:53+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: ok. I won't be picky on coding style consistency as long as it's not completly different. 2011-06-24 14:12:59+0000 <antoviaque> very nice actually so far - I'm nicely surprised of the amount of work done since the last time I had tried 2011-06-24 14:13:06+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, roger that 2011-06-24 14:13:30+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, but I'm hoping it'll at least be spaces instead of tabs ;) 2011-06-24 14:13:31+0000 <antoviaque> looking :) 2011-06-24 14:13:46+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, the django stuff is in /website 2011-06-24 14:14:14+0000 <arbrandes> Still haven't pushed last night's (and today's) changes, though 2011-06-24 14:15:15+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, I'm using Django 1.2.5, by the way, because that's what's in the repos for Ubuntu 11.04 (and I'm trying NOT to have to stick already packaged stuff into cardstories). 2011-06-24 14:16:51+0000 <antoviaque> look nice form first look - django contains itself into a small number of files, not the 32112 directories & default files you sometimes find in this kind of framework, which is nice to see quickly the important 2011-06-24 14:17:56+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, precisely, I'm actually kind of pleased with that, too. It may turn out that dachary was right after all. ;P (just kidding, dach) 2011-06-24 14:18:01+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: good reflex yup - I often make the mistake of wanting the last version, but distribution standards are often a better option yep : ) 2011-06-24 14:18:52+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, I discussed this with dachary, and it would be nice to just depend on prepackaged stuff on debian, at least. 2011-06-24 14:19:02+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-06-24 14:22:18+0000 * arbrandes is getting burnt. 2011-06-24 14:22:21+0000 <arbrandes> bbl, from the shade 2011-06-24 14:22:34+0000 <dachary> ahahah 2011-06-24 14:22:51+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-06-24 14:23:02+0000 <antoviaque> not fair 2011-06-24 14:50:06+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-06-24 14:59:08+0000 <xrogaan_> btw, you need a topic 2011-06-24 15:04:43+0000 <dachary> xrogaan_: +1 2011-06-24 15:29:46+0000 <antoviaque> xrogaan_: agreed, would be helpful - but I don't know how we can get the operator rights on this chan, never paid attention to this - do you know how? 2011-06-24 15:35:57+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now online 2011-06-24 15:36:08+0000 <blanchard> hello :) 2011-06-24 15:38:41+0000 <antoviaque> hello m'sieu : ) 2011-06-24 15:39:23+0000 <xrogaan_> well yes 2011-06-24 15:40:05+0000 <xrogaan_> first you have to ask everyone to leave 2011-06-24 15:40:10+0000 <xrogaan_> wish is impossible 2011-06-24 15:40:25+0000 <antoviaque> ahah, yes : ) 2011-06-24 15:40:28+0000 <xrogaan_> so, you'll have to go to #freenode and ask an operator to help you claim this channel 2011-06-24 15:40:30+0000 * blanchard is back from 2 days of investors pitching and school. Talking talking talking 2011-06-24 15:40:41+0000 <antoviaque> xrogaan_: thanks, I'll try that 2011-06-24 15:40:45+0000 <xrogaan_> since you didn't registered this chan right away 2011-06-24 15:41:14+0000 <xrogaan_> they'll probably asking for proof or things like that or came in and ask if it's okay 2011-06-24 15:42:12+0000 <xrogaan_> then, once you gain your operator status, register the chan with chanserv : /msg chanserv help register 2011-06-24 15:42:20+0000 <antoviaque> ok, thanks : ) 2011-06-24 15:42:36+0000 <xrogaan_> and register your nick if you didn't 2011-06-24 15:43:03+0000 * xrogaan_ can be call 2011-06-24 15:43:06+0000 <xrogaan_> erf 2011-06-24 15:43:11+0000 * xrogaan_ can be helpdesk 2011-06-24 15:43:17+0000 <antoviaque> ahahaha : ) 2011-06-24 15:45:13+0000 <xrogaan_> picture them like that : http://colombusbelgium.be/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/help-desk-outsourcing.jpg 2011-06-24 15:45:19+0000 <xrogaan_> reality : http://thinkmoult.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/fat_geek.jpg 2011-06-24 15:45:35+0000 <antoviaque> they'll love it, I'm sure :p 2011-06-24 15:46:33+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-06-24 15:47:42+0000 <xrogaan_> antoviaque: you're actually on pidgin ? 2011-06-24 15:47:46+0000 <xrogaan_> what the hell ? 2011-06-24 15:48:04+0000 <antoviaque> xrogaan_: yup, why not? 2011-06-24 15:49:59+0000 <arbrandes> I like XChat, myself 2011-06-24 15:50:09+0000 <arbrandes> Never used the pidgin irc client 2011-06-24 15:50:41+0000 <xrogaan_> well, because pidgin irc client sucks ? 2011-06-24 15:51:13+0000 <xrogaan_> xchat is fine, but it won't evolve anymore 2011-06-24 15:51:51+0000 * xrogaan_ used to write some perl plugin for xchat : easy channel moderation 2011-06-24 15:52:02+0000 <antoviaque> xrogaan_: it has the advantage of keeping my different accounts at the same place - but I imagine you have a suggestion : ) 2011-06-24 15:52:20+0000 <arbrandes> xrogaan_, what's your suggestion for a linux chat client? 2011-06-24 15:53:36+0000 <xrogaan_> linux's easy 2011-06-24 15:55:12+0000 <xrogaan_> you have irssi (yay), kvirc (also for windows) and one GUI based I like : konversation 2011-06-24 15:58:42+0000 <arbrandes> irssi: terminal doesn't do it for me, I like the notifications if somebody says my name. kvirc, konversation: I tend to avoid k* apps when I'm on Gnome. 2011-06-24 16:00:01+0000 <xrogaan_> The sad thing with irc is it's a very old protocol. Actually, it would be so much better if we could share images, songs and text with our clients (but not through dcc). 2011-06-24 16:00:17+0000 <xrogaan_> arbrandes: yeah, well, it's irc man. There will always somebody to say your name 2011-06-24 16:00:51+0000 <arbrandes> xrogaan_, I believe what you're describing there is Google Wave, hehehehe 2011-06-24 16:01:17+0000 <xrogaan_> irssi have an away log, so whoever said your name with you being in away state will be logged and displayed once you came back 2011-06-24 16:01:23+0000 <arbrandes> xrogaan_, agreed on the "everybody says your name", especially if you're an op, hehehe 2011-06-24 16:01:38+0000 <xrogaan_> basicaly, once you minimize the windows of the chat you go in away mode 2011-06-24 16:02:22+0000 <xrogaan_> the issue remains in if you want to get annoyed by irc while your working or not 2011-06-24 16:03:02+0000 <xrogaan_> (it"s the same issue for every other IM client/protocol, actually) 2011-06-24 16:03:13+0000 <arbrandes> agreed 2011-06-24 16:03:27+0000 <xrogaan_> I don't even bother connect to my jabber/msn/icq account 2011-06-24 16:03:31+0000 <xrogaan_> s 2011-06-24 16:04:12+0000 <arbrandes> xrogaan_, well, since I got an Android phone, what I do is to be *always* connected, and after a while people just ignore you 2011-06-24 16:04:16+0000 <xrogaan_> 'cause of the annoying client that always flash "hay, somebody wants to talk with you. You need to answer right away !" 2011-06-24 16:04:41+0000 <arbrandes> (meaning, on Gtalk; I'm not always on irc) 2011-06-24 16:05:09+0000 <xrogaan_> i'm always on irc, but i'm not always behind my keyboard :p 2011-06-24 16:06:16+0000 <xrogaan_> and, say what, it's usefull. 'cause some people I like to contribute things only works through irc (which is insane). And when they got something for me, they just highlight me with the subject of the work. 2011-06-24 16:06:25+0000 <xrogaan_> and once i'm back, we discuss it 2011-06-24 16:07:03+0000 <xrogaan_> also, I don't have any desktop, so, I thing it's help for the no-gui style 2011-06-24 16:07:08+0000 <antoviaque> ok, talked to the guys, filled the form and sent the email to activate the priority procedure 2011-06-24 16:07:27+0000 * antoviaque feels at home, looks like the French administration ;p 2011-06-24 16:07:34+0000 <xrogaan_> *activating god mode, please wait ..." 2011-06-24 16:07:47+0000 <xrogaan_> -- BSOD --* 2011-06-24 16:08:35+0000 <arbrandes> xrogaan_, I'm actually rediscovering IRC because of farsides, and so far it's been perfect. Nothing to add or subtract. Code is shared via gitorious, specs via redmine, there's a wiki, and for quick stuff, there's IRC. 2011-06-24 16:08:53+0000 <xrogaan_> arbrandes: but if you want to leech some stuff on irc, you should go with konversation. Best DCC implementation ever 2011-06-24 16:09:23+0000 <xrogaan_> irc, it's like the facebook without faces 2011-06-24 16:09:26+0000 <arbrandes> Haven't needed to DCC in a wh ile, but I'll keep your suggestion in mind :) 2011-06-24 16:10:50+0000 <xrogaan_> antoviaque: can't be worse than Belgium's 2011-06-24 16:11:09+0000 <antoviaque> I dream of leaving in Belgium to have less hassles actually ;p 2011-06-24 16:11:17+0000 <xrogaan_> today, I had to go to three different towns to get some paper filled 2011-06-24 16:11:28+0000 <antoviaque> not bad, not bad 2011-06-24 16:11:58+0000 <arbrandes> Lol, you guys got it good, wait till you see what it's like in Brazil 2011-06-24 16:12:04+0000 <xrogaan_> you might not want to came by. We have nazis here, you know ? 2011-06-24 16:12:16+0000 <antoviaque> I had to work about one full week in total, and had to wait over 5-6 months, simply to get the ownership of a company changed : ) 2011-06-24 16:12:29+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah 2011-06-24 16:12:45+0000 <xrogaan_> (ever heard of NVA ? That's them.) 2011-06-24 16:13:04+0000 <antoviaque> well brazil is probably not bad, but tartarugafeliz has discovered that it could actually be worse ahaha ;p 2011-06-24 16:19:42+0000 <antoviaque> yey, the new domain is working :) http://cardstories.org/?game_id=292&; 2011-06-24 16:20:17+0000 <xrogaan_> antoviaque: any CIA.vc bot for your commits ? :p 2011-06-24 16:20:31+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: xrogaan_: tartarugafeliz: dachary: blanchard: new game! http://cardstories.org/?game_id=292&; 2011-06-24 16:20:43+0000 <antoviaque> not yet nope 2011-06-24 16:20:59+0000 <dachary> goint in five 2011-06-24 16:21:06+0000 <xrogaan_> the input it isn't obvious 2011-06-24 16:21:39+0000 <xrogaan_> I mean, I didn't notice right away that I had to enter my name :p 2011-06-24 16:21:48+0000 <xrogaan_> ah, no email 2011-06-24 16:21:50+0000 <antoviaque> xrogaan_: there is actually a task about CIA.vc, if you are tempted ;p 2011-06-24 16:21:53+0000 <antoviaque> http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/20 2011-06-24 16:22:35+0000 <xrogaan_> http://cia.vc/account/projects/22869/ doesn't exists ? 2011-06-24 16:23:07+0000 <antoviaque> don't know - dachary entered the bug, but I don't know how far he went in the registration 2011-06-24 16:23:31+0000 <antoviaque> (it's an old bug, imported from the previous tracker) 2011-06-24 16:23:40+0000 <xrogaan_> well, there is no any desciption of the bug. If it was me, I would rejected it or ask for completion :p 2011-06-24 16:24:01+0000 <antoviaque> ahah, yes : ) 2011-06-24 16:24:07+0000 <xrogaan_> bug/task whatever. It doesn't say what have been done and what yet to come 2011-06-24 16:24:34+0000 <antoviaque> vote! 2011-06-24 16:24:58+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: dachary: arbrandes: vote phase - http://cardstories.org/?game_id=292&; 2011-06-24 16:26:05+0000 <xrogaan_> anyway, I am not familiar with gitorious. It's their job to provide a way to hook with cia.vc 2011-06-24 16:26:14+0000 <dachary> got to run 2011-06-24 16:26:18+0000 <dachary> I voted 2011-06-24 16:26:37+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: see you : ) 2011-06-24 16:26:46+0000 <antoviaque> raaaaah 2011-06-24 16:26:55+0000 <antoviaque> a sun in the middle of the night!!! 2011-06-24 16:26:57+0000 <arbrandes> Yesssssssssss 2011-06-24 16:27:20+0000 <antoviaque> not fair : ) 2011-06-24 16:28:22+0000 <arbrandes> A friend when I showed him cardstories.org: "This is a perfect game for children learning English." 2011-06-24 16:28:35+0000 <arbrandes> I hadn't thought of this, it's perfect 2011-06-24 16:28:54+0000 <antoviaque> very true yep : ) 2011-06-24 16:29:17+0000 <arbrandes> His wife is an English teacher, she'll probably be using cardstories a lot, now 2011-06-24 16:29:18+0000 <arbrandes> hehehe 2011-06-24 16:29:22+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahaha 2011-06-24 16:36:44+0000 <blanchard> i like this idea of learning english with cs :) 2011-06-24 16:37:26+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, I don't know if you guys have Google Analytics, but you'll probably be seeing a lot of new requests from Rio next week, hehehe 2011-06-24 16:37:39+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-06-24 16:39:45+0000 * xrogaan_ learned english through programing 2011-06-24 17:52:39+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-06-24 18:49:12+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-06-24 19:54:10+0000 arbrandes_ (arbrandes_) is now online _______________________________________________ Farsides mailing list - [email protected] Wiki: http://farsides.com/ List: http://farsides.com/ml/ Forum: http://farsides.com/forum/ Ideas: http://farsides.com/ideas/ Chat: http://farsides.com/chat/
