Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-08-14.
2011-08-14 01:41:14+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-08-14 02:24:52+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-08-14 07:29:44+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-08-14 08:01:04+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-08-14 08:59:26+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-08-14 10:02:01+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes: hi ! I guess you're around because i see tickets coming and coming :) 2011-08-14 10:02:52+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, hey man! :) Hehehe, trying to knock off some more stories... ;) 2011-08-14 10:03:12+0000 <blanchard> hope you're having a good sunday though working ! 2011-08-14 10:03:54+0000 <arbrandes> So far, so good, dude, thanks for asking! how about you? 2011-08-14 10:03:56+0000 <blanchard> me, still on the business plan, pfiou. But it's fine because it's sunny, and i still have a couple of cinnamon 2011-08-14 10:04:04+0000 <blanchard> rolls 2011-08-14 10:04:30+0000 <blanchard> i'll be glad when the plan is done though... 2011-08-14 10:05:28+0000 <arbrandes> hahahahha, I still have some cookies left, so I guess we're all good! ;) I feel your pain on the business plan, though. It must be hard as hell to make. 2011-08-14 10:06:16+0000 <arbrandes> Are you going to join us later for a bout of Starcraft? 2011-08-14 10:06:49+0000 <blanchard> it's half hell, and half fun actually :) But i wouldn't do this all the time :p 2011-08-14 10:07:51+0000 <blanchard> not sure for starcraft i've been on the computer for all week-end i think i need some real air and check that outside is still the same as last time i went to see it 2011-08-14 10:07:58+0000 <arbrandes> hahahaha 2011-08-14 10:08:03+0000 <arbrandes> roger that ;) 2011-08-14 10:08:08+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-08-14 10:10:29+0000 <blanchard> oh by the way. I need to ask you something, can you ask antoviaque to validate all your estimated time on tasks sometime this week ? I fully trust you estimate correctly the tasks but for the sake of the process and what I ask the others (Matjaz), it would be cool to follow the same on your side 2011-08-14 10:11:35+0000 <blanchard> theoretically, Xavier is supposed to validate the estimated time before the task start, but i'm not sure it's easy currently (given that you work all the time :D). What do you think ? 2011-08-14 10:11:45+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes: ^ 2011-08-14 10:12:13+0000 <arbrandes> sure thing, I meant to do that already. But we must find a more efficient way to do this. If I can only start after antoviaque agrees on the estimate, I don't think we'll be able to finish this on time. 2011-08-14 10:12:28+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes: +1 2011-08-14 10:12:45+0000 <blanchard> we can discuss it with him tomorrow to find an efficient way 2011-08-14 10:13:05+0000 <arbrandes> Maybe we can agree on a daily estimate review, or something 2011-08-14 10:13:58+0000 <blanchard> or if the tasks are created at the beginning of the sprint, couldn't antoviaque validate their estimated time all together at that moment ? 2011-08-14 10:14:14+0000 <arbrandes> Sure, we can do that, BUT... 2011-08-14 10:14:22+0000 <arbrandes> for instance, I had to change a task completely just now 2011-08-14 10:14:30+0000 <arbrandes> #334 2011-08-14 10:14:31+0000 <blanchard> i understand yep 2011-08-14 10:14:45+0000 <arbrandes> The png sprites are not going to work for it 2011-08-14 10:15:01+0000 <arbrandes> So the estimate immediately goes out the window 2011-08-14 10:15:14+0000 <blanchard> we could : 1) do this at the beginning of the sprint, and 2) have antoviaque validate the Delta (all the changes that happened) at the end of the sprint 2011-08-14 10:15:48+0000 <blanchard> for instance #334 2011-08-14 10:16:29+0000 <arbrandes> Sounds good to me. It's more work in the beginning, but I guess it's fairer. 2011-08-14 10:16:35+0000 <blanchard> but anyway no big deal, it's working fine for me and the priority is to finish in time. We can look at that later on. 2011-08-14 10:16:50+0000 <blanchard> ok. We can implement that once the rush is over 2011-08-14 10:17:00+0000 <antoviaque> hi : ) 2011-08-14 10:17:02+0000 <arbrandes> okeydoke :) 2011-08-14 10:17:08+0000 <blanchard> hi there :) 2011-08-14 10:17:11+0000 <antoviaque> Hmm, the way we do it with mtyaka works weel I think 2011-08-14 10:17:14+0000 <antoviaque> well 2011-08-14 10:17:19+0000 <arbrandes> hey antoviaque! 2011-08-14 10:18:33+0000 <antoviaque> He doesn't wait for me to start on tasks if I'm not around (so sometime we do it when it's already over), but he tries to ask as early as possible, and it end up well imho 2011-08-14 10:19:09+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: I noticed that you didn't talk about estimates lately, but since you're working like hell I didn't felt the need to bother you with it 2011-08-14 10:19:32+0000 <antoviaque> on the other side blanchard is right, out of fairness for mtyaka it's good if we keep the habit 2011-08-14 10:20:32+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: what do you think? the last thing I want right now is to put extra hassle between you and the work you're doing 2011-08-14 10:20:48+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, sorry about that, it's a side effect of wanting to do things faster. I'm very (very) worried we won't be able to finish by the end of the month. 2011-08-14 10:21:08+0000 <antoviaque> yup I know - and again that's why I didn't complain about it 2011-08-14 10:21:08+0000 <arbrandes> I'm pretty sure we won't, btw 2011-08-14 10:21:25+0000 <arbrandes> We're going to have to come up with a fallback plan 2011-08-14 10:21:39+0000 <antoviaque> I think so too 2011-08-14 10:22:16+0000 <arbrandes> Anyway, that's another discussion. :) Asking for you to review the estimates on individual tickets is definitely not going to hamper anything. 2011-08-14 10:22:36+0000 <antoviaque> ok then, thanks : ) 2011-08-14 10:23:09+0000 <antoviaque> for the fallback plan, we can discuss it while we prepare the next sprint stories 2011-08-14 10:24:11+0000 <antoviaque> If you have ideas on what this fallback plan could be, it would of course be invaluable, given that you're the most hands on with the code lately 2011-08-14 10:25:37+0000 <arbrandes> My first instinctive reaction is to decide on features to cut. In other words, what we can live without and still achieve some sort of objective. 2011-08-14 10:25:51+0000 <arbrandes> For instance, chat and avatars. 2011-08-14 10:26:05+0000 <arbrandes> Maybe they're not essential for playtesting. 2011-08-14 10:26:12+0000 <antoviaque> yup, we'll need to look at features, definitely 2011-08-14 10:26:26+0000 <antoviaque> but also within individual features, see what takes the most time 2011-08-14 10:26:50+0000 <arbrandes> As long as we're on the subject, is shuffling essential? 2011-08-14 10:26:56+0000 <arbrandes> the png sprite won't work 2011-08-14 10:27:13+0000 <arbrandes> It would require syncing the initial positions of all the cards 2011-08-14 10:27:20+0000 <arbrandes> with tartarugafeliz 2011-08-14 10:28:05+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: +1, it's not necessarily one feature against another, it can be two features with minimal requirements for each one, it depends on how critical / workload. 2011-08-14 10:28:15+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: yes, it's one of those things that allows the player to understand what's happening / improve accessibility - if we don't shuffle it will be confusing imho 2011-08-14 10:28:45+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, ok, I was starting do it programatically anyway. :) See #334 2011-08-14 10:28:56+0000 <antoviaque> really? let me see 2011-08-14 10:29:01+0000 <arbrandes> (you can go ahead and validate the estimate, hehehe) 2011-08-14 10:30:10+0000 <antoviaque> what do you mean the position of the cards varies too much? 2011-08-14 10:30:49+0000 <antoviaque> because this animation is a bit crazy to do programmatically 2011-08-14 10:30:49+0000 <arbrandes> The initial positions of the cards Deborah sent with the png sequence do not match the actual positions of the card on the board. 2011-08-14 10:31:18+0000 <arbrandes> This is because this is the first animation that expects this. 2011-08-14 10:31:33+0000 <arbrandes> The other sprites were individual for each position. 2011-08-14 10:31:45+0000 <arbrandes> This one is multi-position (or multi-slot). 2011-08-14 10:32:13+0000 <antoviaque> In the mindset of keeping it minimal, I wouldn't bother with this now - even if cards "jump" a little at the beginning of the shuffle animation, it's not going to prevent from understanding what happening, right? 2011-08-14 10:32:16+0000 <arbrandes> It's going to be really hard to get it right; I believe harder than doing the shuffle programatically. 2011-08-14 10:32:32+0000 <arbrandes> I see 2011-08-14 10:32:45+0000 <antoviaque> really? 2011-08-14 10:33:16+0000 <antoviaque> well, you know better than me, but I would have bet a lot on the other way around 2011-08-14 10:33:18+0000 <arbrandes> Well, if you look at the animation, it's just animating the top/left positions to a few predetermined keyframes anyway 2011-08-14 10:33:46+0000 <arbrandes> there's not event any z-index shuffle 2011-08-14 10:33:49+0000 <arbrandes> *not even 2011-08-14 10:34:22+0000 <antoviaque> if you think it's faster this way, np with me : ) 2011-08-14 10:35:07+0000 <antoviaque> and ok for the estimate then 2011-08-14 10:35:15+0000 <arbrandes> And since it's also not very easy to sync the card positions in the beginning and end of sprite animations (and it's extremely brittle), I thought I might as well do it programatically. 2011-08-14 10:35:35+0000 <antoviaque> alrighty 2011-08-14 10:35:49+0000 <arbrandes> ok then :) 2011-08-14 10:35:52+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-08-14 10:36:02+0000 <antoviaque> ok, I have to run - bbl! 2011-08-14 10:36:07+0000 <arbrandes> later! :) 2011-08-14 12:04:11+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-08-14 13:35:53+0000 <blanchard> I've got some conflicts with git://git.farsides.com/share 2011-08-14 13:36:00+0000 <blanchard> http://paste.debian.net/126155/ 2011-08-14 13:36:15+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: are you around ? 2011-08-14 13:37:01+0000 <blanchard> or if someone else could tell me how to proceed. Would be much appreciated :) 2011-08-14 13:37:35+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, looking 2011-08-14 13:37:46+0000 <blanchard> thx arbrandes :) 2011-08-14 13:38:42+0000 <arbrandes> phew 2011-08-14 13:38:49+0000 <blanchard> haha 2011-08-14 13:38:50+0000 <arbrandes> were there lots of renames somewhere? 2011-08-14 13:38:56+0000 <blanchard> absolutely 2011-08-14 13:39:04+0000 <blanchard> i cleaned some old files 2011-08-14 13:39:24+0000 <arbrandes> It says 17809 files were created; does this make sense? 2011-08-14 13:39:35+0000 <blanchard> no, just 3 :/ 2011-08-14 13:39:41+0000 <blanchard> I did : 2011-08-14 13:39:55+0000 <blanchard> $ git add . $ git commit -a 2011-08-14 13:39:58+0000 <blanchard> and then 2011-08-14 13:40:04+0000 <blanchard> git pull --rebase 2011-08-14 13:40:10+0000 <arbrandes> hmmm 2011-08-14 13:40:33+0000 <arbrandes> Just for safety, copy the 3 documents you created somewhere else, and then: 2011-08-14 13:40:40+0000 <arbrandes> $ git reset --hard HEAD 2011-08-14 13:40:52+0000 <arbrandes> And then add the 3 individual documents you created with git add: 2011-08-14 13:41:07+0000 <arbrandes> $ git add path/to/document1 pat/to/document2 ... 2011-08-14 13:41:15+0000 <blanchard> ok 2011-08-14 13:41:31+0000 <blanchard> actually it tells me : When you have resolved this problem run "git rebase --continue". 2011-08-14 13:41:32+0000 <blanchard> If you would prefer to skip this patch, instead run "git rebase --skip". 2011-08-14 13:41:32+0000 <blanchard> To restore the original branch and stop rebasing run "git rebase --abort". 2011-08-14 13:41:42+0000 <arbrandes> ok, do git rebase --abort, then 2011-08-14 13:41:53+0000 <blanchard> and then git reset --hard HEAD 2011-08-14 13:41:56+0000 <blanchard> correct ? 2011-08-14 13:42:09+0000 <arbrandes> yup 2011-08-14 13:42:21+0000 <blanchard> thx arbrandes ! 2011-08-14 13:42:38+0000 <arbrandes> it doesn't explain everything, though 2011-08-14 13:42:44+0000 <blanchard> no 2011-08-14 13:42:49+0000 <blanchard> but i've renounced 2011-08-14 13:42:51+0000 <arbrandes> lol 2011-08-14 13:42:55+0000 <blanchard> understanding :) 2011-08-14 13:43:24+0000 <arbrandes> The 17 thousand files probably came from "git add ." , but it doesn't make sense why 2011-08-14 13:44:00+0000 <blanchard> i don't think so, the git add . just mentioned the 3 files i had added and some i had renamed 2011-08-14 13:44:09+0000 <blanchard> but less than 10 files all in all 2011-08-14 13:44:09+0000 <arbrandes> hmmm 2011-08-14 13:44:19+0000 <arbrandes> very weird 2011-08-14 13:45:00+0000 <arbrandes> If rebasing still fails, before you add the files you changed you could do a "git pull" instead 2011-08-14 13:45:15+0000 <blanchard> yep, that's what i'm doing 2011-08-14 13:45:32+0000 <blanchard> but conflicts :( 2011-08-14 13:45:57+0000 <arbrandes> ooo, that's not good. Same thing as last time? 2011-08-14 13:46:09+0000 <blanchard> no, more stuff 2011-08-14 13:46:16+0000 <blanchard> it's a mess 2011-08-14 13:46:16+0000 <arbrandes> Usually conflicts should only happen when two people alter the same files. 2011-08-14 13:46:27+0000 <arbrandes> Or the same person alters the same files on two computers. 2011-08-14 13:46:28+0000 <arbrandes> (or more) 2011-08-14 13:46:37+0000 <blanchard> i know, i guess i screwed up somewhere :) 2011-08-14 13:46:47+0000 <blanchard> or i am in conflict with myself 2011-08-14 13:46:50+0000 <arbrandes> hahahha 2011-08-14 13:46:53+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-08-14 13:47:07+0000 <blanchard> to start fresh, I should git clone you think ? 2011-08-14 13:47:30+0000 <arbrandes> O tried a git pull here, no conflicts, so it's probably something with your local repo, yes 2011-08-14 13:48:31+0000 <arbrandes> The question is, how far back the problem goes 2011-08-14 13:48:40+0000 <arbrandes> If you do a "git clone" you'll lose any local commits. 2011-08-14 13:49:09+0000 <blanchard> That should be ok, i store files in other folders 2011-08-14 13:49:26+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, then the easiest way is definitly to do another git clone. 2011-08-14 13:49:27+0000 <blanchard> i feel bad interrupting your work arbrandes. I'll definitely manage a way 2011-08-14 13:49:34+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, don't worry, dude :) 2011-08-14 13:49:38+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-08-14 14:23:57+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-08-14 14:58:15+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-08-14 16:31:07+0000 <antoviaque> still up for that starcraft? :) 2011-08-14 16:31:53+0000 <arbrandes> Sure, but I'll need to eat some lunch first! Can we postpone it about an hour? You can get started without me. :) 2011-08-14 16:32:11+0000 <antoviaque> no worries, no hurry : ) 2011-08-14 16:32:22+0000 <arbrandes> hehehe, cool ;) 2011-08-14 16:32:40+0000 <antoviaque> we said 7pm anyway, so not sure everyone is ready yet : ) 2011-08-14 16:56:50+0000 antoviaque1 (antoviaque1) is now online 2011-08-14 17:00:54+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: up for it? : ) 2011-08-14 17:25:07+0000 <antoviaque1> ok - I'm going to play a game to try to remember how to play it : ) 2011-08-14 17:30:43+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque1, ok, let's do this! I'm going to my battlestation to fire it up. brb 2011-08-14 17:32:45+0000 <antoviaque1> cool : ) 2011-08-14 17:33:12+0000 <antoviaque1> to add my character, it's Kalhaan, code 907 2011-08-14 17:33:36+0000 <antoviaque1> tartarugafeliz is online 2011-08-14 17:34:51+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-08-14 17:34:59+0000 <arbrandes> lol, mirc 2011-08-14 17:37:08+0000 <antoviaque1> feel part of the l33t r0x0rz? :p 2011-08-14 17:37:15+0000 <arbrandes> hahahaha 2011-08-14 17:38:09+0000 <antoviaque1> ok, add me if you can, we'll start a game 2011-08-14 17:38:29+0000 <antoviaque1> blanchard: if you see this later, join directly in the game : ) 2011-08-14 17:38:56+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque1, added you from FB 2011-08-14 17:39:09+0000 <arbrandes> I can only see tartaruga, though 2011-08-14 17:39:28+0000 <antoviaque1> all good, just invited you in the group : ) 2011-08-14 18:20:01+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-08-14 20:07:18+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online _______________________________________________ Farsides mailing list - [email protected] Wiki: http://farsides.com/ List: http://farsides.com/ml/ Forum: http://farsides.com/forum/ Ideas: http://farsides.com/ideas/ Chat: http://farsides.com/chat/
