Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-09-05.
2011-09-05 08:05:55+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-09-05 08:36:35+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-09-05 10:04:19+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-09-05 11:59:49+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-09-05 12:03:08+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-09-05 12:03:19+0000 <antoviaque> hi! : ) 2011-09-05 12:03:24+0000 <antoviaque> eve: start dailymeeting 2011-09-05 12:03:24+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Sorry, meeting in progress. 2011-09-05 12:03:28+0000 <antoviaque> uuups 2011-09-05 12:03:34+0000 <antoviaque> eve: stop dailymeeting 2011-09-05 12:03:34+0000 <eve> antoviaque: *blink* 2011-09-05 12:03:42+0000 <antoviaque> eve: end dailymeeting 2011-09-05 12:03:42+0000 <eve> Meeting Ended 2011-09-05 12:03:42+0000 <eve> Minutes available at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/470646 2011-09-05 12:03:48+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-09-05 12:03:52+0000 <mtyaka> hi :) 2011-09-05 12:03:53+0000 <antoviaque> eve: start dailymeeting 2011-09-05 12:03:53+0000 * eve antoviaque arbrandes blanchard blanchard1 dachary mtyaka tartarugafeliz and al: daily meeting starts! Please say "eve_: yesterday|today|blockers <your report>" 2011-09-05 12:03:57+0000 <antoviaque> hi mtyaka :D 2011-09-05 12:04:05+0000 <tartarugafeliz> HAPPY BIRTHDAY ARBRANDES!!! :D 2011-09-05 12:04:09+0000 <tartarugafeliz> EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 2011-09-05 12:04:15+0000 <tartarugafeliz> \o/ 2011-09-05 12:04:33+0000 <antoviaque> heyyy ! Happy Birthday dude :p 2011-09-05 12:05:02+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: want to start? : ) 2011-09-05 12:05:11+0000 <tartarugafeliz> no sorry I didn't prepare it yet! :O 2011-09-05 12:05:14+0000 <antoviaque> ahahah 2011-09-05 12:05:18+0000 <mtyaka> hehe, today is full of nice surprises :) happy birthday, arbrandes! 2011-09-05 12:05:25+0000 <arbrandes> Hahahaha, thanks dudes!!! 2011-09-05 12:05:35+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-09-05 12:05:43+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: want to go ahead? : ) 2011-09-05 12:05:49+0000 <arbrandes> Really, full of nice surprises, congratulations on your pre-selection, tartarugafeliz :) 2011-09-05 12:05:51+0000 <mtyaka> eve: yesterday I finished #418 (implement initial state of vote_voter), and spent some time thinking about #417 (Implement transition from pick_wait to vote_voter) and #419 (implement initial state of vote_anonymous), but ran out of time to start working on them. 2011-09-05 12:05:51+0000 <eve> Done: I finished #418 (implement initial state of vote_voter), and spent some time thinking about #417 (Implement transition from pick_wait to vote_voter) and #419 (implement initial state of vote_anonymous), but ran out of time to start working on them 2011-09-05 12:05:53+0000 <mtyaka> eve: today I would like to do #419 and maybe start #417. 2011-09-05 12:05:53+0000 <eve> Next: I would like to do #419 and maybe start #417 2011-09-05 12:05:54+0000 <mtyaka> eve: blockers None. 2011-09-05 12:05:54+0000 <eve> Blockers: None 2011-09-05 12:06:07+0000 <mtyaka> yup, congrats, tartarugafeliz! 2011-09-05 12:06:17+0000 <tartarugafeliz> arbrandes: mtyaka: thank you! :) 2011-09-05 12:06:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so I can see you guys already read it cool ahhahaha 2011-09-05 12:06:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve_: yesterday I finished #380 (Design CNC document) 2011-09-05 12:06:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve_: today I won't be able to work for Farsides, cause I have to finish a freelancer but tomorrow I'll start the illustrations of the results! :D 2011-09-05 12:06:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve_: blockers none 2011-09-05 12:07:06+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: yesterday I finished #380 (Design CNC document) 2011-09-05 12:07:06+0000 <eve> Done: I finished #380 (Design CNC document) 2011-09-05 12:07:06+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: today I won't be able to work for Farsides, cause I have to finish a freelancer but tomorrow I'll start the illustrations of the results! :D 2011-09-05 12:07:06+0000 <eve> Next: I won't be able to work for Farsides, cause I have to finish a freelancer but tomorrow I'll start the illustrations of the results! :D 2011-09-05 12:07:06+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: blockers none 2011-09-05 12:07:06+0000 <eve> Blockers: none 2011-09-05 12:07:22+0000 * antoviaque looking at #417 2011-09-05 12:07:59+0000 <arbrandes> I'll go ahead and post mine: 2011-09-05 12:08:00+0000 <arbrandes> eve, yesterday : Started on #387 (cards going back to hands) 2011-09-05 12:08:00+0000 <eve> Done: : Started on #387 (cards going back to hands) 2011-09-05 12:08:00+0000 <arbrandes> eve, today : Got sick during the weekend, couldn't work as much as I wanted on #387, going to continue and finish today. 2011-09-05 12:08:00+0000 <eve> Next: : Got sick during the weekend, couldn't work as much as I wanted on #387, going to continue and finish today 2011-09-05 12:08:00+0000 <arbrandes> eve, blockers : #413 (png sequence for dock to hands) 2011-09-05 12:08:00+0000 <eve> Blockers: : #413 (png sequence for dock to hands) 2011-09-05 12:08:34+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: sad to hear you've been sick - hope you're better today for your birthday : ) 2011-09-05 12:09:29+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, it was just a flu, I'm already better. :) The problem with me and flu's is that I tend to sneeze on the monitor, so I avoid working when I'm like that, hahahah 2011-09-05 12:09:36+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahahahah 2011-09-05 12:09:46+0000 <antoviaque> beuuuurk :p 2011-09-05 12:09:58+0000 <arbrandes> hahahaha, yes, my feelings exactly 2011-09-05 12:10:02+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-09-05 12:10:12+0000 <antoviaque> btw, looking at the tracker, it will be difficult to complete this sprint on time, right? 2011-09-05 12:10:53+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, I intend to do my best today, but it looks like we'll be a bit late. Hopefully not more than one or two days!! 2011-09-05 12:11:27+0000 <antoviaque> ah, cool - I thought we were more behind, all fine then : ) 2011-09-05 12:11:48+0000 <antoviaque> eve: yesterday Finalisation/printing/submiting CNC application, completed Y-Combinator application and started collecting feedback from you (thanks btw!) & from network 2011-09-05 12:11:48+0000 <eve> Done: Finalisation/printing/submiting CNC application, completed Y-Combinator application and started collecting feedback from you (thanks btw!) & from network 2011-09-05 12:11:48+0000 <antoviaque> eve: today 121 Adolfo (if you can/want, sorry I missed it on Friday!), need to write more detailled specifications of Plebia for Olivier's note (lawyer) 2011-09-05 12:11:48+0000 <eve> Next: 121 Adolfo (if you can/want, sorry I missed it on Friday!), need to write more detailled specifications of Plebia for Olivier's note (lawyer) 2011-09-05 12:11:48+0000 <antoviaque> eve: blockers None! 2011-09-05 12:11:48+0000 <eve> Blockers: None 2011-09-05 12:12:08+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, yup, we can do it today, 10:00 if it's fine with you 2011-09-05 12:12:33+0000 <arbrandes> (I mean, 15:00) 2011-09-05 12:12:37+0000 <arbrandes> GMT +2 2011-09-05 12:12:38+0000 <antoviaque> yup - 3pm : ) 2011-09-05 12:12:38+0000 <antoviaque> hehehe 2011-09-05 12:12:41+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahahah 2011-09-05 12:13:11+0000 <antoviaque> ok all good? 2011-09-05 12:13:15+0000 <arbrandes> for me, yes 2011-09-05 12:13:22+0000 <mtyaka> me too 2011-09-05 12:13:31+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes 2011-09-05 12:13:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-09-05 12:13:36+0000 <antoviaque> ok! :D 2011-09-05 12:13:56+0000 <antoviaque> thanks! 2011-09-05 12:14:03+0000 <antoviaque> eve: end dailymeeting 2011-09-05 12:14:03+0000 <eve> Meeting Ended 2011-09-05 12:14:03+0000 <eve> Minutes available at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/470649 2011-09-05 12:14:05+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and can we talk a little bit about my news? 2011-09-05 12:14:12+0000 <antoviaque> sure 2011-09-05 12:14:27+0000 <arbrandes> sure, go ahead!! 2011-09-05 12:14:30+0000 <mtyaka> please do 2011-09-05 12:14:51+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so what does everyone thinks about this project, does it interest you to work with it? :) 2011-09-05 12:16:20+0000 <arbrandes> I'd love to, tartarugafeliz 2011-09-05 12:16:29+0000 <arbrandes> I like the idea, and the projetodegaragem concept 2011-09-05 12:16:30+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :D 2011-09-05 12:16:41+0000 <arbrandes> Kind of like a Brazilian YCombinator, hehehe 2011-09-05 12:16:47+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahaha its true 2011-09-05 12:16:50+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: it's an horrible project, and with kids puaahhh! 2011-09-05 12:16:55+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahaahahahahah 2011-09-05 12:16:57+0000 <arbrandes> hahahahahah, antoviaque 2011-09-05 12:17:01+0000 <antoviaque> hehe just kidding, it's a really cool project :D 2011-09-05 12:17:21+0000 <mtyaka> the trailer looks beautiful, as usually 2011-09-05 12:17:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :D yeeey!!! 2011-09-05 12:17:35+0000 <tartarugafeliz> did you understand the concept? 2011-09-05 12:17:47+0000 <tartarugafeliz> if you guys want I can do the same presentation I did yesterday to explain everything 2011-09-05 12:17:47+0000 <arbrandes> Actually, I had a few questions about that: 2011-09-05 12:17:55+0000 <antoviaque> and there are games in it, would be cool to help you - what would you need from farsides? 2011-09-05 12:18:10+0000 <tartarugafeliz> well, the thing is 2011-09-05 12:18:14+0000 <arbrandes> The main question is, how is it going to be interactive, exactly? 2011-09-05 12:18:17+0000 <tartarugafeliz> is an animation, and I don't want to use flash 2011-09-05 12:18:28+0000 <mtyaka> i didn't understand the concept :) i don't speak portuguese so perhaps, that's the reason 2011-09-05 12:18:38+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahahaah poor you mtyaka its truuuue 2011-09-05 12:18:39+0000 <mtyaka> yup, what is the interactivity? 2011-09-05 12:18:52+0000 <tartarugafeliz> the episodes will have different endings 2011-09-05 12:19:07+0000 <tartarugafeliz> depending on the choices you make during the story you'll see a different end 2011-09-05 12:19:12+0000 <tartarugafeliz> that's the main principle 2011-09-05 12:19:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> on top of that we have a very interesting and funny story 2011-09-05 12:19:29+0000 <arbrandes> ah, ok, it's a relative simple kind of interactivity 2011-09-05 12:20:06+0000 <arbrandes> You don't want to use Flash, you say? For the animation itself? 2011-09-05 12:20:18+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes, they can help to raise a little bit of money but its really small⦠at least for this first pilot 2011-09-05 12:20:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes, I would like to do png sequences with html arbrandes 2011-09-05 12:20:35+0000 <tartarugafeliz> what do you think? 2011-09-05 12:20:51+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so the interactivity will be small as possible on this first episode 2011-09-05 12:21:05+0000 <tartarugafeliz> because I thought I would have to do everything by myself, so its really just a test. really simple. 2011-09-05 12:21:17+0000 <tartarugafeliz> with just one end this time. 2011-09-05 12:21:32+0000 <mtyaka> how long would the animations be? 2011-09-05 12:21:36+0000 <tartarugafeliz> but I still need help to program this, cause otherwise I would have to do everything in flash 2011-09-05 12:21:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> the whole episode is about 7 min mtyaka 2011-09-05 12:21:49+0000 <arbrandes> The main issue I see here is download size 2011-09-05 12:22:05+0000 * arbrandes thinking 2011-09-05 12:22:09+0000 <mtyaka> yes, that would be one huge png... 2011-09-05 12:22:11+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its true⦠specially because its not only animations, there are the voices of the characters too 2011-09-05 12:22:16+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahahaha 2011-09-05 12:22:40+0000 <tartarugafeliz> what would be a good solution here in your opinion? 2011-09-05 12:22:43+0000 <arbrandes> I'm thinking this would have to be HTML5 2011-09-05 12:22:47+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka? ^ 2011-09-05 12:23:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> why? (sorry i don't understand) 2011-09-05 12:23:24+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ahhh and does it work on every browser already the html5? 2011-09-05 12:23:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> because we really need to make this as accessible as possible for all kids 2011-09-05 12:23:59+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, yes, that is the big problem: 2011-09-05 12:24:01+0000 <mtyaka> i agree with arbrandes, it will be easier if animations are just videos, we can play them using html5 or fallback to flash in browsers that don't support html5 video yet.... 2011-09-05 12:24:15+0000 <mtyaka> ... although it depends on the kind of interactivity we are going for 2011-09-05 12:24:19+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ahh and can we interact with the videos? 2011-09-05 12:24:25+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, I was thinking more of HTML5 canvas 2011-09-05 12:24:30+0000 <arbrandes> BUT... 2011-09-05 12:24:37+0000 <arbrandes> I don't know how hard/easy it would be 2011-09-05 12:24:43+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: good idea the videos, especially because compatibility is good thanks to video.js & co 2011-09-05 12:24:56+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, you have valid concerns regarding browser compatibility 2011-09-05 12:25:04+0000 <arbrandes> IE8 is out of the question for HTML5 2011-09-05 12:25:14+0000 <mtyaka> the question is, how exactly do we need to interact with the videos? 2011-09-05 12:25:19+0000 <tartarugafeliz> we can mix video and the interactivity is in html is that it? 2011-09-05 12:25:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> mtyaka: we click on yes or no 2011-09-05 12:25:35+0000 <tartarugafeliz> we click on the hull of the turtle 2011-09-05 12:25:38+0000 <arbrandes> However, I don't think using sprites will work for this: the PNG will just be too big 2011-09-05 12:25:42+0000 <tartarugafeliz> simple interactions like this for this first episode 2011-09-05 12:26:30+0000 <tartarugafeliz> arbrandes: agreed 2011-09-05 12:26:46+0000 <antoviaque> could be a mix of HTML/JS for interaction and videos for the animations, no? 2011-09-05 12:27:02+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I like this solution 2011-09-05 12:27:16+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, question: will the interactive part be _during_ the animation, or will it stop at a menu, or something like that? 2011-09-05 12:27:25+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: excellent point 2011-09-05 12:27:32+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, yes, that's what I'm thinking 2011-09-05 12:27:33+0000 <tartarugafeliz> it stops when you have to interact 2011-09-05 12:28:10+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and then we can mix a small png sequence, for instance, to make them blink while they wait⦠and 2 buttons that on mouse over make a sound of yeeeeeyyy 2011-09-05 12:28:15+0000 <arbrandes> if it stops, then definitely HTML5 video (with Flash for fallback, if you want), with HTML/JS for interactions. 2011-09-05 12:28:38+0000 <arbrandes> Mouse over + sound is very HTML5 ;) 2011-09-05 12:28:43+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :D hurray! 2011-09-05 12:28:48+0000 <mtyaka> hehehe 2011-09-05 12:29:12+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: do you have sketches that could help visualise? 2011-09-05 12:29:19+0000 <arbrandes> yes, that would be very good 2011-09-05 12:29:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes, I have the begining of the storyboard, I'll show you 2011-09-05 12:31:45+0000 <tartarugafeliz> here: http://git.farsides.com/?a=tree&p=share&h=78199acf96a808d7854ec01fe24abcd6690d4515&hb=136d60d14ea3ad816f99492b2bdd82652cb38a72&f=Tartaruga%20Feliz%20e%20Seus%20Amigos/storyboard 2011-09-05 12:31:57+0000 <tartarugafeliz> the 16 and the 24 are the ones that shows interactivity 2011-09-05 12:32:54+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, this may come in handy for this project: http://tumultco.com/hype/ 2011-09-05 12:33:00+0000 <arbrandes> (it's YC funded, btw, hehehe) 2011-09-05 12:33:17+0000 <arbrandes> Just an idea, don't know if it's worth it at this stage 2011-09-05 12:33:42+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'll have a look 2011-09-05 12:34:11+0000 <tartarugafeliz> thank you! :) 2011-09-05 12:34:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> for the 20.png there is an interaction that you have to turn the hull, you have to click and then there's an animation that shows the hull turning to the other side 2011-09-05 12:34:30+0000 <tartarugafeliz> maybe that's the trickiest right now 2011-09-05 12:34:57+0000 <tartarugafeliz> but it can be that after you click the video starts again 2011-09-05 12:36:55+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-09-05 12:37:24+0000 <tartarugafeliz> this hype is really intersting arbrandes 2011-09-05 12:37:28+0000 <arbrandes> ok, interaction looks to be pretty straight-forward 2011-09-05 12:37:36+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap 2011-09-05 12:37:37+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, yes, it does, doesn't it? 2011-09-05 12:38:00+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yup I'm watching a tutorial right now 2011-09-05 12:39:10+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'll think seriously about it for later, but right now I think I'll go with what we already know :) thank you! 2011-09-05 12:39:31+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: thinking like a real programmer ;p 2011-09-05 12:39:38+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahahah I wish 2011-09-05 12:39:38+0000 <arbrandes> hehehee, yup :) 2011-09-05 12:40:23+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I need to give them a quote today so it would be good to see how much time would take for you guys to do this 2011-09-05 12:43:06+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, let's get down to it, then 2011-09-05 12:43:15+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-09-05 12:43:16+0000 <arbrandes> Does this involve actually creating a website to host it? 2011-09-05 12:44:00+0000 <tartarugafeliz> Its just an html page, no registration or things like that 2011-09-05 12:44:13+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: will there be a landing page? 2011-09-05 12:44:51+0000 <antoviaque> for hosting we can put it easily on farsides servers, but there may be stuff like that to think about yep 2011-09-05 12:44:53+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes very simple one but beautiful :) 2011-09-05 12:45:23+0000 <tartarugafeliz> with a button for facebook (like) and twitter 2011-09-05 12:45:25+0000 <arbrandes> No "about" page, etc? only links? Just a play button for the video? 2011-09-05 12:46:15+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I was thinking about doing like the one I did for card stories, everything on the landing page, with pictures and texts bellow the video, but without interactions, maybe an email link to send emails but that's it 2011-09-05 12:46:31+0000 <tartarugafeliz> just a play with the friends button to start the video, yes 2011-09-05 12:46:32+0000 <arbrandes> Ah, ok, really just one page, then 2011-09-05 12:46:36+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes 2011-09-05 12:47:00+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, now the video: 2011-09-05 12:48:08+0000 <arbrandes> HTML5 (possibly video.js), at the end of the first part the user clicks yes or no, and then the second part plays 2011-09-05 12:48:18+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap 2011-09-05 12:48:35+0000 <arbrandes> What about the turtle's shell turning, again? 2011-09-05 12:48:37+0000 <tartarugafeliz> if you want I can give you the script too 2011-09-05 12:49:28+0000 <arbrandes> How is the user going to see/interact with that? It's an endless loop that he can click? 2011-09-05 12:49:28+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its a silly joke in the middle, she turns to the other side to see a cloud, but she only turns the body, she forgets to turn the hull. So the narrator says, "oh no Turtle forgot to turn the hull, can you help her?" and then the kids click on it, and the story continues. 2011-09-05 12:50:04+0000 <arbrandes> Ah, ok 2011-09-05 12:50:17+0000 <arbrandes> It's just a pause in the video, then? If the user clicks on the hull the video continues? 2011-09-05 12:50:24+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes 2011-09-05 12:50:25+0000 <arbrandes> (but not if he clicks anywhere else?) 2011-09-05 12:50:31+0000 <tartarugafeliz> exactly 2011-09-05 12:50:37+0000 <tartarugafeliz> the hull would be a button 2011-09-05 12:50:51+0000 <arbrandes> cool 2011-09-05 12:51:56+0000 <tartarugafeliz> the script is here: http://git.farsides.com/?a=blob&p=share&h=24ea76a9973620e240a466de6eb71e419c395c4e&n=episodio1_tartaruga_f.doc 2011-09-05 12:52:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> sorry its in portuguese!! :S 2011-09-05 12:52:09+0000 * arbrandes reading 2011-09-05 12:52:16+0000 <mtyaka> so it is basically the same as other interactions - the user clicks somewhere on the (paused) video and then the next video plays (depending on which "button" was pressed) 2011-09-05 12:54:06+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes! 2011-09-05 12:54:18+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: btw will it be agpl & creative commons? :p 2011-09-05 12:54:50+0000 <arbrandes> "muito bem, seu croass�", rofl 2011-09-05 12:54:53+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I want it to be. Although I'll need help to convince investors that this is a good thing. 2011-09-05 12:54:58+0000 <tartarugafeliz> HAAHAHAHAHAHAH arbrandes 2011-09-05 12:55:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I have an english version too that is not the final, but its really close, I'll put there for everyone else to be able to read 2011-09-05 12:55:44+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-09-05 12:56:26+0000 <tartarugafeliz> here you go, in english: http://git.farsides.com/?a=blob&p=share&h=c7449551a07c578aff1239d53eb561362e5621ae&n=episodio1_tartaruga_eng.doc 2011-09-05 12:56:37+0000 <arbrandes> Is Xavier really going to narrate in portuguese? Oh, I'm REALLY going to have to listen to this, lololol 2011-09-05 12:56:59+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: ahahah, it was the goal, but my accent sucks too much :p 2011-09-05 12:57:06+0000 <tartarugafeliz> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA 2011-09-05 12:57:11+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz already recorded the voices actually : ) 2011-09-05 12:57:17+0000 <mtyaka> thanks for the english version :) 2011-09-05 12:57:33+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes, I'll put everything I have there 2011-09-05 12:57:45+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, hahaha, I guess having an accent is the whole point! ;) 2011-09-05 12:58:02+0000 <antoviaque> hehe, yep ;p 2011-09-05 12:58:28+0000 <antoviaque> but kids would have a hard time understanding what I say, so tartarugafeliz vetoed me at the end *snif* :( 2011-09-05 12:58:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> awww I'm so sorry, you'll do the english and the french versions 2011-09-05 12:59:04+0000 <arbrandes> hehehehe :) 2011-09-05 12:59:22+0000 <antoviaque> brings back memories to talk about this project tartarugafeliz, I'd forgot how much work you've already done on it! 2011-09-05 12:59:42+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-09-05 13:00:09+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, I think I have on handle on the work involved, so the next question is: who? and then, when? 2011-09-05 13:00:16+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm uploading the music theme and the voices of the characters too for you amusement. hahahaha 2011-09-05 13:00:27+0000 <arbrandes> Who's going to be involved directly? mtyaka, antoviaque? 2011-09-05 13:00:34+0000 <antoviaque> yep, that's good questions - when would you have to produce it? 2011-09-05 13:00:49+0000 <tartarugafeliz> Probably on the next 3 weeks 2011-09-05 13:00:56+0000 <antoviaque> given the schedule on CS, it's probably going to depend on it 2011-09-05 13:01:00+0000 <tartarugafeliz> depending if I'm accepted or not 2011-09-05 13:01:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm not accepted yet, that's important to remember 2011-09-05 13:01:19+0000 <antoviaque> ok - when will you have the final answer? 2011-09-05 13:01:30+0000 <tartarugafeliz> It will depend on this quote I guess, I'll have the answer in max 10 days 2011-09-05 13:02:21+0000 <antoviaque> ok, that gives some time to finish the current plans for CS, it would be hard to spare some time from arbrandes or mtyaka before that I think 2011-09-05 13:02:32+0000 <arbrandes> Ideally we'd start work on it after CS 2.0, in other words, after Sep. 15 2011-09-05 13:02:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> no problem, we need to animate everything before anyways 2011-09-05 13:03:00+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its good! 2011-09-05 13:03:18+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: yes and no, probably good to do a very quick prototype before you start the bulk of the animation work 2011-09-05 13:03:32+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: mtyaka: more your part though : ) 2011-09-05 13:03:43+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ahhh ok, I can give a first batch, say till the first interaction 2011-09-05 13:03:54+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and then we test and see from there 2011-09-05 13:04:04+0000 <arbrandes> I'd be very surprised if this took more than a week, or maybe even a weekend, if me, mtyaka, antoviaque, and you, tartarugafeliz, work a sprint on it. 2011-09-05 13:04:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and I'm calling a friend of mine to help me with the animations too 2011-09-05 13:04:53+0000 <tartarugafeliz> that would be amazing to finish in a weekend :O 2011-09-05 13:04:54+0000 <mtyaka> yup, it seems like it shouldn't be too much work, but it'd be good to make a quick prototype to make sure there aren't any nasty surprises - i don't have much experience with html5 video and neither flash 2011-09-05 13:05:22+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, agreed 100% 2011-09-05 13:05:23+0000 <antoviaque> yup btw - didn't say it before but would be very happy to work some code too there, it's simple and full of videos :p 2011-09-05 13:05:30+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :D 2011-09-05 13:05:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> cool! 2011-09-05 13:05:49+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, you're the one with the most experience with video.js right now, so you're help would be very welcome ;) 2011-09-05 13:05:51+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes, i must say i am a bit disappointed, i thought you will quote the estimate in bananas :) 2011-09-05 13:05:59+0000 <arbrandes> hahahahha, mtyaka 2011-09-05 13:06:15+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahahahahaahahahahahah 2011-09-05 13:06:29+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: rofl :D 2011-09-05 13:06:29+0000 <arbrandes> (just a minute, gotta answer the door) 2011-09-05 13:07:59+0000 <mtyaka> i'll be back in about 30 minutes 2011-09-05 13:08:08+0000 <tartarugafeliz> no prob 2011-09-05 13:08:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'll be here the whole day :) 2011-09-05 13:11:52+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: ok, for your quote - I count a 1-week sprint it's 3300/4 euros (arbrandes) + 20h*20 euros (mtyaka) -- does that sound alright? 2011-09-05 13:12:15+0000 <antoviaque> (this is without Farsides charging anything and my time free btw :p ) 2011-09-05 13:13:17+0000 <antoviaque> (so 1200-1300 euros) 2011-09-05 13:15:52+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok I understand⦠but I think for the quote they're asking me its too much⦠and its not that I don't think its not worth this money, its just that for Brazil this is very expensive⦠and I don't want to lose this opportunity because of that, so I was thinking if there is a way to make it in less time, maybe? 2011-09-05 13:16:08+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and btw, thank you Farsides and antoviaque for helping! 2011-09-05 13:16:15+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-09-05 13:16:42+0000 <antoviaque> yup, that's why I'm asking - maybe let's do it the other way around. How much do you think you can put for development in your quote? 2011-09-05 13:22:12+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm thinking about this right now⦠because this is the real price to do this kind of project right? 2011-09-05 13:22:34+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I can't try to make it cheaper just to get the investors, they need the real thing 2011-09-05 13:23:16+0000 <antoviaque> this is actually lower than the real price as said before - but what can be adapted is the time spent on it 2011-09-05 13:23:35+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok then 2011-09-05 13:23:56+0000 <tartarugafeliz> we can discuss this when they're back :) 2011-09-05 13:24:25+0000 <arbrandes> back, sorry 2011-09-05 13:24:30+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: yep, but we can try to see what would be the maximum time that can be allocated to this 2011-09-05 13:24:37+0000 <antoviaque> re arbrandes : ) 2011-09-05 13:25:08+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: what would have been the ideal price that you would have liked to hear? : ) 2011-09-05 13:25:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I don't know. 2011-09-05 13:26:48+0000 <arbrandes> +1 for doing this the "other way around": what is the maximum you think they'll accept? 2011-09-05 13:27:05+0000 <arbrandes> Or maybe not the maximum, but a reasonable, competitive amount for Brazil 2011-09-05 13:27:42+0000 <tartarugafeliz> can you help me with this arbrandes? 2011-09-05 13:27:52+0000 <arbrandes> let's see 2011-09-05 13:29:22+0000 <arbrandes> the average developer hired "off the street" costs on average between 6000 and 8000 reais per month for the company (the poor developer gets paid much less, half of that goes to the government, hehehe) 2011-09-05 13:30:06+0000 <arbrandes> Let's say 1500 reais for a week's work, on the cheap 2011-09-05 13:32:22+0000 <arbrandes> I'd do it this once for less, say, 1000 reais + 10% for taxes, etc. 2011-09-05 13:32:36+0000 <arbrandes> Less if there's less work involved 2011-09-05 13:32:54+0000 <arbrandes> (pending the prototype) 2011-09-05 13:33:27+0000 <arbrandes> I don't know, really, would this be charged to Farsides, or to me and mtyaka directly? 2011-09-05 13:34:48+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I don't know who's going to pay, so I depend on that information to answer that to you⦠It can happen that people from the project like it so much that they'll pay themselves this prototype and help me to attract investors⦠who knows! 2011-09-05 13:35:20+0000 <arbrandes> Are we discussing what they'll expect you'll charge, or are we discussing how much time to devote to this under Farsides, or something else? :) 2011-09-05 13:36:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> Its nice of you arbrandes to propose to lower your rate, but I prefer to pay your price and just adjust the volume of work itself, it can be something really rough, its just a prototype, it doesn't need to be perfect, we don't even need a website right now 2011-09-05 13:37:20+0000 <tartarugafeliz> we're discussing the time you're going to devote to this under Farsides, yes. 2011-09-05 13:37:39+0000 <antoviaque> yep, that makes it simpler this way I think 2011-09-05 13:38:07+0000 <antoviaque> basically tartarugafeliz you hire farsides to do the dev part of this project, right? 2011-09-05 13:38:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap 2011-09-05 13:38:20+0000 <arbrandes> ahhh, ok, that does make it much simpler, then 2011-09-05 13:38:27+0000 <mtyaka> back 2011-09-05 13:38:43+0000 <arbrandes> Mainly because then we can make a real sprint out of it, even if it's shorter than usual 2011-09-05 13:39:30+0000 <tartarugafeliz> with 2000 reais (857 euros), what can we do? 2011-09-05 13:40:14+0000 <antoviaque> hmm, a 3 days sprint I think (would need to get blanchard to confirm) 2011-09-05 13:40:16+0000 <arbrandes> that's for you to say, antoviaque :) 2011-09-05 13:40:26+0000 <antoviaque> yep : ) 2011-09-05 13:41:11+0000 <antoviaque> let me calculate quickly 2011-09-05 13:42:12+0000 <arbrandes> I imagine that in 3 days, if the videos are transcoded and ready to be manipulated (antovique'll be able to help there), we can deliver something working pretty well. 2011-09-05 13:44:03+0000 <arbrandes> (Also dependent on most of the design of the page itself being ready beforehand) 2011-09-05 13:44:22+0000 <antoviaque> yep - again blanchard will double check, but it gives a 3 days sprint (24 hours of arbrandes + 18 of mtyaka) 2011-09-05 13:46:28+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, I'd forego Flash fallback for this first go at it, though. It not only doubles the work for you, but it adds a bit of complexity to the page. But it's your decision, of course. 2011-09-05 13:47:21+0000 <arbrandes> (on the other hand, your animation will work on tablets and smartphones, too ;) 2011-09-05 13:47:24+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: for compatibility, we could maybe use the video fallback? 2011-09-05 13:47:42+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes, I know, I'm not even making the animation on Flash 2011-09-05 13:48:21+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, what do you mean, exactly? video.js already has a flash fallback? 2011-09-05 13:48:23+0000 <antoviaque> If we only use the <video> tag from HTML5, then it can be compatible - but yep it adds complexity anyway, so probably not for this 2011-09-05 13:48:26+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: yep 2011-09-05 13:48:36+0000 <arbrandes> ahh, that's awesome, maybe it'll be easy, then 2011-09-05 13:48:53+0000 <arbrandes> needs further investigation 2011-09-05 13:49:06+0000 <mtyaka> video fallback should be easy, we'd only need to also encode the video into flv 2011-09-05 13:49:11+0000 <antoviaque> yep, still some issues to plan for, since it's a different player then 2011-09-05 13:49:16+0000 <tartarugafeliz> but guys, there's somehting important here: this is just a prototype, to show on the day of the event, it doesn't even need to be available online yet 2011-09-05 13:49:25+0000 <arbrandes> ahh, ok 2011-09-05 13:49:31+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: that solves it then, perfect :) 2011-09-05 13:49:35+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-09-05 13:49:40+0000 <tartarugafeliz> reaallllyyy simple. ahhahaha 2011-09-05 13:49:43+0000 <mtyaka> but i a bit worry that catching clicks over flash video will not work too well... i never actually tried that, but i have hunch there might be problems 2011-09-05 13:49:53+0000 <arbrandes> when is the event, by the way? 2011-09-05 13:50:12+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: yep 2011-09-05 13:50:18+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, oh, you can be *certain* there'll be problems, *specially* on the browsers that need it, lol 2011-09-05 13:50:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> they say its in october, but there's no date decided yet, because first they need to see how much time all the chosen projects will need to get ready 2011-09-05 13:50:42+0000 <tartarugafeliz> they're still choosing the finalists 2011-09-05 13:50:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :D 2011-09-05 13:50:45+0000 <mtyaka> hehe well said, arbrandes 2011-09-05 13:51:19+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and its in SP arbrandes, you'll be able to go see me talking with people! :D ra! 2011-09-05 13:51:36+0000 <tartarugafeliz> (if I'm chosen of course. ahhaha) 2011-09-05 13:55:40+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: want to do the 121? 2011-09-05 13:56:13+0000 <arbrandes> hahaha, tartarugafeliz, yes, that's what I was thinking ;) 2011-09-05 13:56:23+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, yup, let's! 2011-09-05 13:56:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-09-05 13:56:34+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, 5 minutes? 2011-09-05 13:56:40+0000 <antoviaque> perfect : ) 2011-09-05 13:56:49+0000 <antoviaque> time for me to move & grab my headsets 2011-09-05 13:56:58+0000 <antoviaque> brb 2011-09-05 14:00:49+0000 antoviaque1 (antoviaque1) is now online 2011-09-05 14:04:32+0000 <antoviaque1> arbrandes: ready whenever you are (just remind me again your phone number - this time I'll put it in my cellphone ;p) 2011-09-05 14:05:26+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque1, last time we went back to bbb, it worked well. Phone line, not so much. ;) 2011-09-05 14:05:38+0000 <arbrandes> We can try it again, though, +552125359762 2011-09-05 14:05:42+0000 <antoviaque1> ah true - ok for bbb 2011-09-05 14:05:48+0000 * antoviaque1 creating the room 2011-09-05 14:07:01+0000 <antoviaque1> http://demo.bigbluebutton.org/bigbluebutton/demo/create.jsp?action=invite&meetingID=antoviaque%27s+meeting 2011-09-05 14:15:28+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-09-05 17:14:30+0000 girish (girish) is now online 2011-09-05 17:15:40+0000 * girish slaps dachary around a bit with a large fishbot 2011-09-05 17:41:06+0000 <antoviaque1> hi girish :) 2011-09-05 17:41:23+0000 <tartarugafeliz> GAAHAHAHAHA 2011-09-05 17:41:37+0000 sdfsdf (sdfsdf) is now online 2011-09-05 17:41:52+0000 * sdfsdf slaps tartarugafeliz around a bit with a large fishbot 2011-09-05 17:41:56+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahahahah 2011-09-05 17:42:17+0000 <antoviaque1> It's a slap invasion 2011-09-05 17:49:04+0000 <dachary> I'm not sure I like this girish character 2011-09-05 18:01:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :P 2011-09-05 18:49:39+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-09-05 18:50:48+0000 dachary1 (dachary1) is now online 2011-09-05 18:51:43+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-09-05 19:06:21+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-09-05 19:12:29+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-09-05 19:20:27+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-09-05 21:27:13+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online
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