Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-10-07.
2011-10-07 01:46:24+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-10-07 07:02:51+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online 2011-10-07 07:48:44+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now online 2011-10-07 07:48:52+0000 <blanchard> hi ! 2011-10-07 08:27:11+0000 <antoviaque> hi : ) 2011-10-07 09:39:59+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-10-07 10:09:30+0000 <blanchard> hi arbrandes :) I sent the contract but pdf was heavy so i wanted to check if you received it 2011-10-07 10:26:58+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, got it, thanks! :) 2011-10-07 10:28:53+0000 <blanchard> ok cool ! 2011-10-07 10:29:01+0000 <blanchard> going to school, bbl 2011-10-07 10:40:55+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now offline 2011-10-07 11:17:21+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online 2011-10-07 11:43:21+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-10-07 12:01:48+0000 <antoviaque> hey there : ) 2011-10-07 12:01:55+0000 <antoviaque> eve: start dailymeeting 2011-10-07 12:01:55+0000 * eve antoviaque arbrandes blanchard blanchard1 dachary mtyaka tartarugafeliz and al: daily meeting starts! Please say "eve_: yesterday|today|blockers <your report>" 2011-10-07 12:02:58+0000 <antoviaque> ok I'll post first :p 2011-10-07 12:03:07+0000 <antoviaque> eve: yesterday Looked at potential bid requests for project food :p , reviewed marketing plan for next week, wrote to boardgamegeek to check conditions & pricing of a sponsored contest there, a few bugfixes on Plebia 2011-10-07 12:03:07+0000 <eve> Done: Looked at potential bid requests for project food :p , reviewed marketing plan for next week, wrote to boardgamegeek to check conditions & pricing of a sponsored contest there, a few bugfixes on Plebia 2011-10-07 12:03:07+0000 <antoviaque> eve: today Adding release date information to episodes, to allow automating the download of new episodes 2011-10-07 12:03:07+0000 <eve> Next: Adding release date information to episodes, to allow automating the download of new episodes 2011-10-07 12:03:07+0000 <antoviaque> eve: blockers None 2011-10-07 12:03:07+0000 <eve> Blockers: None 2011-10-07 12:03:10+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-10-07 12:03:15+0000 <antoviaque> hey mtyaka : ) 2011-10-07 12:03:19+0000 <arbrandes> lol, "project food" 2011-10-07 12:03:21+0000 <arbrandes> eve, yesterday no time, sorry. 2011-10-07 12:03:21+0000 <eve> Done: no time, sorry 2011-10-07 12:03:21+0000 <arbrandes> eve, today probably no time either, but will reserve some time to work on #200 on the weekend. 2011-10-07 12:03:21+0000 <eve> Next: probably no time either, but will reserve some time to work on #200 on the weekend 2011-10-07 12:03:21+0000 <arbrandes> eve, blockers none. 2011-10-07 12:03:21+0000 <eve> Blockers: none 2011-10-07 12:03:46+0000 <mtyaka> hey all :) 2011-10-07 12:03:55+0000 <arbrandes> hey mtyaka 2011-10-07 12:04:14+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: thanks for #200 - I know how difficult it must be to conciliate the two right now 2011-10-07 12:04:32+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: want to go next? : ) 2011-10-07 12:04:54+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, yup, it's been kinda tough, but I haven't given up yet :) 2011-10-07 12:05:20+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: we'll find a way : ) 2011-10-07 12:05:25+0000 <mtyaka> eve: yesterday I planned to work on (#514) cross-browser audio, but had to do some unplanned overtime for my primary job, so I ran out of time :( 2011-10-07 12:05:25+0000 <eve> Done: I planned to work on (#514) cross-browser audio, but had to do some unplanned overtime for my primary job, so I ran out of time :( 2011-10-07 12:05:26+0000 <mtyaka> eve: today I plan to finish #514 (for real) 2011-10-07 12:05:26+0000 <eve> Next: I plan to finish #514 (for real) 2011-10-07 12:05:28+0000 <mtyaka> eve: blockers None 2011-10-07 12:05:28+0000 <eve> Blockers: None 2011-10-07 12:05:56+0000 <arbrandes> "unplanned overtime for my primary job" - talk about it ;) 2011-10-07 12:06:06+0000 <mtyaka> heh :) 2011-10-07 12:06:06+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: is there any way to agree on a part time with the guys you're working with? this way it could bring some balance, rather than eating your week-ends (which always sucks) 2011-10-07 12:06:49+0000 <arbrandes> That's a tough question, antoviaque 2011-10-07 12:07:05+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: hehe, yep, hard to contain those things 2011-10-07 12:07:24+0000 <antoviaque> what's the agreement you have with them? freelance or job? full time? 2011-10-07 12:07:47+0000 <arbrandes> I signed a 3-month contract for what is essentially full-time 2011-10-07 12:09:00+0000 <arbrandes> With all the Banansoft stuff in the middle (which hopefully will sort itself out soon), it leaves me with very little free time 2011-10-07 12:09:15+0000 <antoviaque> yep, doesn't leave a lot of free time 2011-10-07 12:10:09+0000 <arbrandes> How's the Felix Injection coming, by the way? ;) 2011-10-07 12:11:03+0000 <arbrandes> My time's so filled up that I'm thinking of hiring some locals to help me / us 2011-10-07 12:11:15+0000 <antoviaque> would need to ask blanchard, the last I stayed on Felix had to look at details of BP, valuation, etc., I don't think he came back yet (or I wasn't cc'ed) 2011-10-07 12:12:59+0000 <antoviaque> nothing is really simple for those matters in france, in any case it will take at least several weeks, if no blockers appear on Felix' side 2011-10-07 12:13:52+0000 <antoviaque> you know some good people? because, not to praise you and mtyaka too much, but it;s hard to find people as good as the two of you :) 2011-10-07 12:14:03+0000 <arbrandes> hehehe, thanks for the compliment, antoviaque 2011-10-07 12:14:10+0000 <arbrandes> Yes, I know it's very hard to find good programmers 2011-10-07 12:14:53+0000 <antoviaque> and in any case I'd rather work with you, it works well - are you thinking of help for your other job or with farsides? 2011-10-07 12:15:03+0000 <arbrandes> I know a couple of pretty good ones - problem is, they're good programmers, but not very good English speakers. So I was thinking of using Bananasoft to hire them, and then I would oversee their work. 2011-10-07 12:15:24+0000 <arbrandes> But this is just a thought 2011-10-07 12:17:28+0000 <antoviaque> for farsides' part we went there in the past, and it ended up in a policy of only working directly with people - it's already hard to have good communication over the net, when there is a second structure it creates lots of complications 2011-10-07 12:17:31+0000 <arbrandes> So, to answer your question, this will not affect either my other job or Farsides (for the foreseeable future, at least) 2011-10-07 12:17:54+0000 <arbrandes> Yup, I can see how that would create problems 2011-10-07 12:18:07+0000 <antoviaque> yup, I understand 2011-10-07 12:18:19+0000 <arbrandes> Nevertheless, it is foreseen in our contract (don't know if you're aware) 2011-10-07 12:18:46+0000 <antoviaque> ah, yep, there is a clause about finding a replacement 2011-10-07 12:18:51+0000 <arbrandes> I even brought it up with David 2011-10-07 12:19:23+0000 <arbrandes> No to press the point, but I specifically asked, "so, I can hire other people to work for you?", and he said, "yes" 2011-10-07 12:19:32+0000 <arbrandes> I don't even know if *I* like the idea, heheheh 2011-10-07 12:20:18+0000 <antoviaque> it's meant more as a temporary thing, for a given set of task (for example if you weren't able to do #200, that's a big blocker to which a quick solution would be needed) 2011-10-07 12:21:25+0000 <arbrandes> Understood, of course I'd never do anything like this without consulting with you guys first. 2011-10-07 12:21:31+0000 <antoviaque> but personally I wouldn't want to work like this on a longer term, I've been bitten too many times :) 2011-10-07 12:22:55+0000 <arbrandes> I understand completely, there is a very measurable loss of efficiency in these kinds of arrangements. There are advantages, of course (like not having to hire people, hehehe), but for many projects it really doesn't make sense. 2011-10-07 12:23:46+0000 <antoviaque> where are you at with the founder thinking btw? 2011-10-07 12:25:06+0000 <antoviaque> Maybe I read you wrong, but I've got the feeling you're headed a different direction lately (which isn't good or bad, more for me to know) 2011-10-07 12:25:17+0000 <arbrandes> Good question, i'm sort of letting it simmer in the back of my mind - there's a lot going on and I want to make a fair decision, both to you guys and to me. 2011-10-07 12:26:23+0000 <arbrandes> The question on my mind is: does it make sense to become a partner if I don't have time to work on the project? 2011-10-07 12:26:37+0000 <arbrandes> Which brings up another question: will Farsides be able to pay me a salary any time soon? 2011-10-07 12:27:38+0000 <antoviaque> very good question yep 2011-10-07 12:27:41+0000 <arbrandes> As I've been saying, and this relates to Project Food (excellent name, hehehe), I wouldn't have to think at all if a salary were guaranteed for, say, at least a year. 2011-10-07 12:28:02+0000 <arbrandes> OR 2011-10-07 12:28:29+0000 <arbrandes> If a commitment were made to find clients first, and make games second 2011-10-07 12:29:07+0000 <arbrandes> But this is a tough point to make: it would mean that Farsides would become a software house, as opposed to a development studio 2011-10-07 12:29:11+0000 <antoviaque> I see, that's an interesting way of putting it 2011-10-07 12:29:53+0000 <arbrandes> I don't think I have the right to put you in that position as a negotiation stratagem, I can only bring it up 2011-10-07 12:30:16+0000 <arbrandes> Because in the end, what's happening to me is that I'm becoming a one-man software house, heheheh 2011-10-07 12:30:37+0000 <antoviaque> well I guess there are three possible options: 1) we get funded (problem solved) 2) we don't get funded and we switch to a software house to autofinance our develpments or 3) we refuse to do that and farsides closes 2011-10-07 12:30:39+0000 <arbrandes> And I'd love to continue working with you guys - I think there are plenty of clients to be had, if the focus is right. 2011-10-07 12:31:05+0000 <arbrandes> Yup, agreed on the 3 options 2011-10-07 12:31:56+0000 <antoviaque> Personally I would be comfortable with option 2) 2011-10-07 12:32:26+0000 <arbrandes> So would I - I brought up the Bananasoft sub-hiring thing intentionally, to feel you out. ;) 2011-10-07 12:32:52+0000 <antoviaque> I don't know exactly about mtyaka , blanchard and tartarugafeliz, we would need to chat with them though (mtyaka, any opinion? : ) ) 2011-10-07 12:34:54+0000 <arbrandes> To be honest and very fair, antoviaque, my dream is to be able to work with/for Farsides forever, in whatever arrangement. 99% of other clients will have precisely the communications problems over the Internet that you mention, and even though I can tolerate them, I don't ever want to go back to an office. 2011-10-07 12:35:10+0000 <antoviaque> yep - in the subhiring it's more the fact of not interacting directly that bothers me, it's an important part of what I like about working here, it's the quality of the people and the pleasure of working with you, mtyaka, tartarugafeliz, blanchard.. 2011-10-07 12:35:57+0000 <antoviaque> I can't agree more wholeheartedly - exactly my feeling 2011-10-07 12:35:58+0000 <arbrandes> In other words: if Farsides can get clients, and thus be able to pay me a salary, I'm set for life. 2011-10-07 12:36:58+0000 <arbrandes> It's one thing for the _company_ (ie Farsides) to deal collectively with communications problems, it's a whole another problem if I personally have to deal with them all the time. 2011-10-07 12:37:30+0000 <arbrandes> Plus there's the whole division of labor that's been working out very well on our little team 2011-10-07 12:38:39+0000 <arbrandes> And I believe it's something that can scale. 2011-10-07 12:38:39+0000 <arbrandes> It's "just" a question of finding paying customers, heheheh ;) 2011-10-07 12:38:44+0000 <antoviaque> ok, let's bring this up on Monday with everyone around, we'll see what comes out of it :) 2011-10-07 12:39:11+0000 <antoviaque> hehehe, yep! 2011-10-07 12:39:57+0000 <antoviaque> we've done something very hard - making a distributed team work together. A problem most companies can't solve, this definitely has a lot of value to it 2011-10-07 12:39:59+0000 <arbrandes> And if you forgive my indiscretion... Damn, I already miss working with you guys full time! The world out there still sucks. 2011-10-07 12:40:18+0000 <arbrandes> agreed, 100% 2011-10-07 12:40:29+0000 <antoviaque> :D 2011-10-07 12:40:49+0000 <arbrandes> I'm seeing even full blown, funded Silicon Valley startups that don't know how to use the internet for a distributed team 2011-10-07 12:41:57+0000 <antoviaque> definitely - part of the problem is in this "office" culture people don't know how to rethink 2011-10-07 12:42:36+0000 <antoviaque> on the other side the way I see it, there are strong requirements, especially on the qualities and experience of the team members 2011-10-07 12:42:40+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, cool, glad to get that out of my chest... I've been wondering how to word it ever since that last 121. 2011-10-07 12:43:29+0000 <arbrandes> Agreed on the requirements, too. 2011-10-07 12:43:45+0000 <arbrandes> But those people definitely exist, otherwise we wouldn't be here, hehehe 2011-10-07 12:44:07+0000 <arbrandes> And it seems to me that the next generation is already much more internet fluent than we are. 2011-10-07 12:44:25+0000 <arbrandes> Specially in the open-source world 2011-10-07 12:44:38+0000 <arbrandes> Which is something else that we have to remember to bring up on Monday: 2011-10-07 12:44:40+0000 <antoviaque> not everyone can do it, at least not yet 2011-10-07 12:44:40+0000 <antoviaque> ok, enough blabla from my side - I'll tell eve that the meeting has ended, let's resume this with the others 2011-10-07 12:45:04+0000 <arbrandes> Do potential clients have to be open-source too? 2011-10-07 12:45:04+0000 <antoviaque> oh, missed some of your chat ( some lag in there) 2011-10-07 12:45:04+0000 <arbrandes> ok 2011-10-07 12:45:13+0000 <arbrandes> let's talk more on Monday 2011-10-07 12:45:13+0000 <antoviaque> I don't think so 2011-10-07 12:45:24+0000 <antoviaque> (for the open source) 2011-10-07 12:46:01+0000 <antoviaque> I think for clients they would just get something they wouldn't expect - full transparency and good communication 2011-10-07 12:46:24+0000 <antoviaque> I'm actually quite curious to see how clients would react to that 2011-10-07 12:46:43+0000 <antoviaque> thanks arbrandes! good to share thoughts with you on this 2011-10-07 12:46:54+0000 <antoviaque> eve: end dailymeeting 2011-10-07 12:46:55+0000 <eve> Meeting Ended 2011-10-07 12:46:55+0000 <eve> Minutes available at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/488788 2011-10-07 12:47:11+0000 <antoviaque> and curious to see what we'll cook up :) 2011-10-07 12:47:59+0000 <arbrandes> yup, curious here too :) 2011-10-07 14:30:03+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-10-07 15:08:58+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online _______________________________________________ Farsides mailing list - [email protected] Wiki: http://farsides.com/ List: http://farsides.com/ml/ Forum: http://farsides.com/forum/ Ideas: http://farsides.com/ideas/ Chat: http://farsides.com/chat/
